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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

EpicDude86 said:
They aren't so much as entitled to most of these things so much as they "qualify" and usually you have to do something (or NOT be able to do something) to get this stuff.
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Right. To qualify for marriage there has to be a man and a woman, both a minimum age, and both consent.

How is changing marriage to be include 2 men or 2 woman different than changing tax bracket laws or the social security benefit age?
 
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EpicDude86 said:
I believe the abbreviation for senator is Sen. and Snowe is a R.I.N.O.


and c'mon "Mainiacs" is funny.
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How about this **** you buddy Sen. Snowe is far from being a R.I.N.O you have no ****ing idea what your talking about so I suggest you just stop now before thing get out of hand. If you or anyone else want to attack Sen. Snowe by caller her something she is far from then I will go after you and I could care less if I get banned from the site. I suggest you talk to Jackalope before you make anymore post on Sen. Snowe
 
Scorpion89 said:
How about this **** you buddy Sen. Snowe is far from being a R.I.N.O you have no ****ing idea what your talking about so I suggest you just stop now before thing get out of hand. If you or anyone else want to attack Sen. Snowe by caller her something she is far from then I will go after you and I could care less if I get banned from the site. I suggest you talk to Jackalope before you make anymore post on Sen. Snowe
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Sen Snowe has one of the highest approval ratings of any sitting Senator. She represents her state very well. We don't like ideological partisans up here, we like someone who does what is in the best interests of Maine.

She ain't a RINO, she's been the same ever since getting elected to Congress. Republicans needa lay off the litmus tests and remember Reagan's rule: you 80% friend is not your 20% enemy.

Plus, Scorp will **** you up if you tear into Olympia, so I'd be careful ;)
 
We see you here Navy....come back to deal with the question?
 
disneydude said:
We see you here Navy....come back to deal with the question?
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WE???? You got a mouse in your pocket? I am glad to talk about your overwhelming defeat in Maine and everywhere else for that matter......:rofl
 
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scourge99 said:
Right. To qualify for marriage there has to be a man and a woman, both a minimum age, and both consent.

How is changing marriage to be include 2 men or 2 woman different than changing tax bracket laws or the social security benefit age?
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It's not much different at all.
 
Scorpion89 said:
How about this **** you buddy Sen. Snowe is far from being a R.I.N.O you have no ****ing idea what your talking about so I suggest you just stop now before thing get out of hand. If you or anyone else want to attack Sen. Snowe by caller her something she is far from then I will go after you and I could care less if I get banned from the site. I suggest you talk to Jackalope before you make anymore post on Sen. Snowe
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INTERNETS ARE SRS BUSINESS!!!! :O

p.s. I think I have a car older than you, kiddo. Unless your name has something to do with the plane. Or the Scorpions, in 89.
 
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Scorpion89 said:
Actually no it won't see in the State of Maine when something is brought to a vote by the way of a Ballet Measure and is voted on then it can never be brought up again to a Ballet vote nor can the Govrn. or Elected Morons try to change the vote by making up a new law.
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What the hell are you talking about? This was a veto referendum. For the law to never be brought up again, the state would have had to pass a Constitutional amendment. You really don't understand your own government, do you? It could even be brought up on another referendum in a few years. By chance, are you trying to spread misinformation?

Further more as I stated in this thread some post back the over all population of Maine is getting older. Maine rank in the top 10% of folks between the age's of 18-35 that are moving out of their respected State.
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Actually age isn't the main factor that is important. Education is the number one distinguishing factor when it comes to gay marriage support. Unless you are saying that Maine is getting dumber, then I doubt there is too much to be concerned about.

Also I would like to point out one other item most of you don't know much about Maine because if you did you would have know this fact Maine is in the top 5 when it comes to Gay Friendly States this fact alone didn't help for 1 to being repealed nor did it help in Calf. It's a well know fact that both Maine and calf. our two of the Gay Friendly States in the Union and both had Gay Marriage shot down by the people's vote.
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Duh! There were only 6 states that had gay marriage. In fact, Maine was the first one to pass it by legislative vote.

If Gay's so badly want to have this right then they are going about it the wrong way they should push for a Const. Adm and then have it voted on by the Citz. of the United States once and for all.
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There isn't the support at present. In 10 years, then maybe. The best course of action the gay rights activists could aim for is to be patient and stay the course. There may be a federal court decision for same sex marriage, but that has the potential to backfire at present into a Federal Constitutional Amendment against same sex marriage.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don't know where you get these stats at but if they make you feel good go for it...........There are states that have voted over 80% aggainst gay marriage and the lowest percent against was around 52% in La La land............If you average all the states out you will come close to 70% against...........
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Like I said, gay marriage has only existed for 5 years in this country. By comparison, interracial marriage had been outlawed in some states in this country for decades before it was repealed by the 1967 Supreme Court decision.
 
EpicDude86 said:
What's wrong with not shooting it down?
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I don't know that there is anything wrong with it, but that doesn't mean gay-marriage is a civil rights issue.

Care to answer my question now or were you just trying to be cute?
 
Jerry said:
I don't know that there is anything wrong with it, but that doesn't mean gay-marriage is a civil rights issue.
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The moment Maine's legislature passed the statute that gave gays the right to marry in Maine, same sex marriage became a civil right in that state. What definition of civil right are you going by that a legal guarantee by a state meant to protect a vulnerable minority is not considered a civil right?
 
CriticalThought said:
The moment Maine's legislature passed the statute that gave gays the right to marry in Maine, same sex marriage became a civil right in that state.
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Hmm that's a good point, I'll give you that one.

CriticalThought said:
What definition of civil right are you going by that a legal guarantee by a state meant to protect a vulnerable minority is not considered a civil right?
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Apparently it's not a civil rights issue any longer, as the law was repealed.

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No, that's the easy way out, I won't take it.

The law did not give gays the right to marry gays, as gays could already marry gays of the opposite sex. The law gave everyone the right to marry either sex. The majority of Main decided that they didn't want the right to marry the same sex. Main has the right remove any right from itself it wishes.

Why would heteros want to marry the same-sex?
 
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Jerry said:
Hmm that's a good point, I'll give you that one.

Apparently it's not a civil rights issue any longer, as the law was repealed.
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Indeed. Civil rights are earned, they aren't just naturally given to you. Maine voters effectively took away the civil rights of gays with this vote. Now it is a human rights issue in that state, until there is a law that once again gives gays the right marry.

Jerry said:
Why would heteros want to marry the same-sex?
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Probably the same reason that gays would want to marry the opposite sex.
 
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CriticalThought said:
What the hell are you talking about? This was a veto referendum. For the law to never be brought up again, the state would have had to pass a Constitutional amendment. You really don't understand your own government, do you? It could even be brought up on another referendum in a few years. By chance, are you trying to spread misinformation?

Actually age isn't the main factor that is important. Education is the number one distinguishing factor when it comes to gay marriage support. Unless you are saying that Maine is getting dumber, then I doubt there is too much to be concerned about.

Duh! There were only 6 states that had gay marriage. In fact, Maine was the first one to pass it by legislative vote.

There isn't the support at present. In 10 years, then maybe. The best course of action the gay rights activists could aim for is to be patient and stay the course. There may be a federal court decision for same sex marriage, but that has the potential to backfire at present into a Federal Constitutional Amendment against same sex marriage.
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Maine was not the first state to pass gay marriage via legislative vote. NH and VT also did so. I think Maine came after both, but I'm not sure. Maybe b/w VT and NH, but I do think after. I think we had become the sixth state that had legalized gay marriage.

And, age was a factor in the Maine vote. Age, and rural vs city.

As to the citizen's veto, I don't really know when/if it can be brought up that way again. I know the gov can't overturn a ballot initiative by the people. The citizen's veto hasn't been used that often in Maine, I don't really know the ins and outs of it.
 
jackalope said:
Maine was not the first state to pass gay marriage via legislative vote. NH and VT also did so. I think Maine came after both, but I'm not sure. Maybe b/w VT and NH, but I do think after. I think we had become the sixth state that had legalized gay marriage.
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My mistake. Vermont was the first state.

As to the citizen's veto, I don't really know when/if it can be brought up that way again. I know the gov can't overturn a ballot initiative by the people. The citizen's veto hasn't been used that often in Maine, I don't really know the ins and outs of it.
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I see nothing that says that a people's veto could not be overturned by the state government. It would be suicide for the politicians to do so at this time, but it wouldn't be unconstitutional. In fact, it seems to me that the people's veto isn't really any different than the governor's veto.
 
CriticalThought said:
My mistake. Vermont was the first state.



I see nothing that says that a people's veto could not be overturned by the state government. It would be suicide for the politicians to do so at this time, but it wouldn't be unconstitutional. In fact, it seems to me that the people's veto isn't really any different than the governor's veto.
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I tried to google, and got lost in pages of law and constitution and got bored. I imagine it will come up in the news, eventually.

I did find a Press Herald article (local paper) that suggested it could be brought up again in the 2011 legislature. Maybe an election has to pass before it can be brought up again? I really don't know.

Supporters can bring a bill back to the Legislature in 2011 or pursue court action. The timing and method would depend largely on who gets elected governor next year, and whether the Legislature continues to be in Democratic hands.

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CriticalThought said:
Probably the same reason that gays would want to marry the opposite sex.
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Right, so just as gays wouldn't get all up in arms over the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, so do most heteros have difficulty becoming enthusiastic over marrying the same sex.
 
jackalope said:
I tried to google, and got lost in pages of law and constitution and got bored. I imagine it will come up in the news, eventually.

I did find a Press Herald article (local paper) that suggested it could be brought up again in the 2011 legislature. Maybe an election has to pass before it can be brought up again? I really don't know.
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I'm in the same boat as you are, I don't much about the fine print of the People's Veto. I don't think the outcome would be any different if they try to legalize gay marriage again as early as 2011 though. As you saw with this years ballot getting Mainer's to change their minds after they approved or rejected a previous law is no easy task.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am not going to fall into your trap of hijacking the thread DD..We have been over thia a dozen tmes........
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I'm interested in your thoughts on how one changes their sexual preference at the drop of a hat. Enlighten me.
 
Navy Pride said:
One last entry on this...........A female officer in the Washington National Guard did that here.........After over 30 years marriage an 3 grown children she divorced her husband and moved in with a lesbian..............

There are many cases like that, especially people changing from gay to straight......Now I know what your going to say that they are actually BI, well no one knows thats for sure..........

Now you know my position on this issue.. I have stated it a dozen times so I aks you again please stay on topic.............
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How is he NOT staying on topic when YOU YOU YOU said that gay people can change to being straight.

Let me just say that I haven't missed you AT ALL on here.
 
Navy: Is the reason that you are dodging the question is because it is difficult for you to talk about?
C'mon man.....you're among friends. YOU raised the issue:

You say that people can change their sexual orientation. Is that based on personal knowledge that you could easily change your sexual orientation and be attracted to men?
 
disneydude said:
Navy: Is the reason that you are dodging the question is because it is difficult for you to talk about?
C'mon man.....you're among friends. YOU raised the issue:

You say that people can change their sexual orientation. Is that based on personal knowledge that you could easily change your sexual orientation and be attracted to men?
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So let me get this straight (no pun intended)

If you have a family and kids for most of your life then "come out of the closet" you were gay the whole time and never changed your sexual orientation but if you are gay and then marry and have kids you're lying?
 
texmaster said:
So let me get this straight (no pun intended)

If you have a family and kids for most of your life then "come out of the closet" you were gay the whole time and never changed your sexual orientation but if you are gay and then marry and have kids you're lying?
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If you are gay....you are gay. It doesn't matter if you pretend to be straight or not.
You can buy purple contact lens to "change" the color of your eyes.....doesn't mean that in reality your eyes are really purple.
 
disneydude said:
Navy: Is the reason that you are dodging the question is because it is difficult for you to talk about?
C'mon man.....you're among friends. YOU raised the issue:

You say that people can change their sexual orientation. Is that based on personal knowledge that you could easily change your sexual orientation and be attracted to men?
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I'm not answering for Navy, just my :twocents: here:

My sister decided she was born gay and went to all the demonstrations, helped in a few local election campaigns, the paraids etc.

One day she decided she wasn't born gay anymore, dumped her "wife" (they weren't legally married) and became a born-again.

Now I understand that folks will say "well she was never actually born-gay then", and I don't necessarily disagree.

However, since there is a good number of gays who claim to be born-that-way and then change their ways, it generates statistical data anti-gm folks can point to and validly claim "gays do change".

My point is you need to worry about those on your side who are lying about who they are far more than you need to worry about people like Navy.
 
People run the gamut.

Are some people confused....think they are gay and later realize that they aren't. Absolutely

Are some people confused....try to be straight and find out they can't. Absolutely.

Do some gay people mask their sexual orientation and pretend to be straight. Absolutely.


The bottom line - unlike ethnicity...people can mask their sexual orientation.
But when people like Navy claim that people can actually change their sexual orientation then they need to man up and answer the question.

If its possible to change your sexual orientation does that mean that you personally could easily decide to become sexually attracted to men?

Navy has been dodging the question...and his silence on the issue is very telling.
 
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