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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

Toothpicvic said:
This isn't really a voter issue so I hope it will be repealed. Ideally I'd just like to see marriage completely separated from govt, but since most anti-gay marriage voters are motivated by religion, I don't think their opinions should matter. Just let it be overturned. I'm way more worried about fundamentalists trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land, than I am about Ned and Fred getting tax benefits.
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They won't admit it.
 
TheNextEra said:
The same people that were against interracial marriage thought the same thing. It's going to be a beautiful day when people like you have to deal with the reality of gay marriage being legalized.
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Actually gay marriage is perfectly legal even in the States that do not recognize it.
 
Navy Pride said:
I have known you for several years and you keep saying that yet eveery time there is a vote on gay marriage you lose......(31-0) even in Liberal states like Oregon and California you lose...........When will you wise up and realize the American people have said no to gay marriage and will continue to do so...........
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When the margins stop shrinking, you will have an argument. Only 5 years ago, gay marriage was rejected by nearly 80% of the country, now only about 55% of the country reject it. Where do you think we will be in 5 more years?
 
Navy Pride said:
I have known you for several years and you keep saying that yet eveery time there is a vote on gay marriage you lose......(31-0) even in Liberal states like Oregon and California you lose...........When will you wise up and realize the American people have said no to gay marriage and will continue to do so...........
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Meh, If some conservative state (hypothetically) etc voted to reinstate black segregation because of "cultural values" or whatever (BS) I'd oppose that too. Ignorant people's opinions don't matter in politics. And anyone who thinks this issue is remotely relevent to real life is definitely ignorant. Just give a few more years and it'll be legal anyway so why are these Christian fundies delaying what's inevitable. Their opposition to rights for blacks sure worked well too.
 
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Navy Pride said:
It may happen in a thusand years when the morals in this coiuntry sink to the Sodom ages but it won't happen in our lifetime or in generations down the road..........
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Morals of Sodom? This isn't a fairy tale. This is real life. What exactly is wrong with gay marriage? Where does it affect you personally? Where does it harm you?
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Q_3WUTXXA"]YouTube- Lewis Black On Gay Marriage[/ame]
 
Kal'Stang said:
Morals of Sodom? This isn't a fairy tale. This is real life. What exactly is wrong with gay marriage? Where does it affect you personally? Where does it harm you?
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"'Morals of Sodom' used in a conversation" = out of touch, obviously a fake vet, and no longer relevent in conversations with normal people. :lol:

Funny thing is even Jesus said the morals of sodom where higher than those of the religious right of his day (aka the Pharisees). But I guess I shouldn't expect a Christian to have read the Bible. lolol
 
Here it is, found the REAL reason people are afraid of Gay Marriage...

the Gay Banditos.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-id4GKsaQk"]YouTube- Lewis Black - Gay Banditos[/ame]
 
Are gay snipers after your family?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Oe6shhKug"]YouTube- Are Gay Snipers After Your Family?[/ame]
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah change it to very liberal.......thanks
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Hey Navy.....we're still waiting for you to answer the question:

Since you say that sexual orientation is something that you can change, are you saying that you could just as easily be attracted to men if you wanted to change your sexual orientation?
 
CriticalThought said:
As I said before, there is nothing wrong with Mainers choosing to vote down same sex marriage. In fact, this ultimately isn't an issue of whether or not Maine should have same sex marriage, but when Maine will have same sex marriage. Right now, Maine is not ready for it, but the demographics show that the youth overwhelmingly support same sex marriage, and so things will change in time. Time is the only relevant factor in this issue. There will come a day when Maine uses their 1st amendment right to decide for marriage equality.
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Actually no it won't see in the State of Maine when something is brought to a vote by the way of a Ballet Measure and is voted on then it can never be brought up again to a Ballet vote nor can the Govrn. or Elected Morons try to change the vote by making up a new law.

Further more as I stated in this thread some post back the over all population of Maine is getting older. Maine rank in the top 10% of folks between the age's of 18-35 that are moving out of their respected State.

Also I would like to point out one other item most of you don't know much about Maine because if you did you would have know this fact Maine is in the top 5 when it comes to Gay Friendly States this fact alone didn't help for 1 to being repealed nor did it help in Calf. It's a well know fact that both Maine and calf. our two of the Gay Friendly States in the Union and both had Gay Marriage shot down by the people's vote.

If Gay's so badly want to have this right then they are going about it the wrong way they should push for a Const. Adm and then have it voted on by the Citz. of the United States once and for all.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Actually no it won't see in the State of Maine when something is brought to a vote by the way of a Ballet Measure and is voted on then it can never be brought up again to a Ballet vote nor can the Govrn. or Elected Morons try to change the vote by making up a new law.
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Is that true? TABOR has been brought up multiple times. Unless it's slightly different each time?
 
Scorpion89 said:
If Gay's so badly want to have this right then they are going about it the wrong way they should push for a Const. Adm and then have it voted on by the Citz. of the United States once and for all.
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I think it will wined its way to the SCOTUS and the issues will be the 14th plus loving vs Virginia.
 
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Toothpicvic said:
This isn't really a voter issue so I hope it will be repealed. Ideally I'd just like to see marriage completely separated from govt, but since most anti-gay marriage voters are motivated by religion, I don't think their opinions should matter. Just let it be overturned. I'm way more worried about fundamentalists trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land, than I am about Ned and Fred getting tax benefits.
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Really you care to explain how this isn't a voters issue huh, Please explain how the Citz of Maine didn't have the right to use OUR 1st ADM RIGHTS to repeal a BS Law that the Govn. and the Bimbo Speaker of the House passed even thou they were advise not to.

It's very clear by your post here you have no ****ing clue about the Citz. of Maine and how we don't like the morons in Augusta telling us what we can and can't do.
 
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Scorpion89 said:
Really you care to explain how this isn't a voters issue huh, Please explain how e the Citz of Maine didn't have the right to use OUR 1st ADM RIGHTS to repeal a BS Law that the Govn. and the Bimbo Speaker of the House passed even thou they were advise not to.

It's very clear by your post here you have no ****ing clue about the Citz. of Maine and how we don't like the morons in Augusta telling us what we can and can't do.
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Rights like marriage or freedom of speech are not up to a popular vote.
 
winston53660 said:
Rights like marriage or freedom of speech are not up to a popular vote.
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Marriage apparently is :(. Didn't the Prop 8 lose that argument in CA's Supreme Court?
 
jackalope said:
Is that true? TABOR has been brought up multiple times. Unless it's slightly different each time?
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It's never been passed as a Law hence it can be brought up. When a Law is passed and the challenged and repealed then it can never be put to a ballet or passed again. I cite the Billboard law. You didn't live in Maine when this happen, Maine was the first State to outlaw Billboards it was a Citz. Vote won by a landslide in the early 80s either CBS or Clear Channel try to have the Law over turned it went to federal Court and was throw out because of 10th Adm. Every since then many laws have come onto the book after they were brought to a vote . Three I can recall off the top of my head were the car Admission test,Seat Belt Laws and Helmet Law. In the Car Test the Feds try to make it a Law we the people voted to not have the Car Test Law and the feds had to eat crow do to 10th Adm. In both the Helmet and Seat belt Laws they were Laws that the morons in Augusta passed as laws and then the people of Maine had them put onto a ballet for a vote both passed barely.
 
jackalope said:
Marriage apparently is :(. Didn't the Prop 8 lose that argument in CA's Supreme Court?
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And anti miscegenation laws wound up in states courts as well. Where state courts supported them. Sodomy laws too Lawrence v. Texas as recently as of 2003.
 
winston53660 said:
I think it will wined its way to the SCOTUS and the issues will be the 14th plus loving vs Virginia.
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It might but as long as each State has it but on there own ballets and how every the vote falls then it would be in violation of the 10th if the SCOTUS tries to over turn something.

I t will have to be a straight Adm. put forth by Congress to change anything.
 
winston53660 said:
Rights like marriage or freedom of speech are not up to a popular vote.
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True on Freedom of Speech but as far as marriage goes I've asked this question a few times please show me in the US Const. Bill of Rights or any US Code that allows anyone to marry anyone or what is defined as a marriage.
 
Scorpion89 said:
True on Freedom of Speech but as far as marriage goes I've asked this question a few times please show me in the US Const. Bill of Rights or any US Code that allows anyone to marry anyone or what is defined as a marriage.
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I can marry a black gal. Use to be that was that true under the law and at one time both of us could be sentenced to prison time.

Now considering the 14th amendment to the US Constitution why can not a woman marry a woman just like a man can marry a woman?
 
CriticalThought said:
When the margins stop shrinking, you will have an argument. Only 5 years ago, gay marriage was rejected by nearly 80% of the country, now only about 55% of the country reject it. Where do you think we will be in 5 more years?
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I don't know where you get these stats at but if they make you feel good go for it...........There are states that have voted over 80% aggainst gay marriage and the lowest percent against was around 52% in La La land............If you average all the states out you will come close to 70% against...........
 
disneydude said:
Hey Navy.....we're still waiting for you to answer the question:

Since you say that sexual orientation is something that you can change, are you saying that you could just as easily be attracted to men if you wanted to change your sexual orientation?
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I am not going to fall into your trap of hijacking the thread DD..We have been over thia a dozen tmes........
 
winston53660 said:
I think it will wined its way to the SCOTUS and the issues will be the 14th plus loving vs Virginia.
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The 14th would bring into play Polygamysts and other groups into play to..........that would be fun...........
 
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