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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

Ikari said:
First off, it's not a small minority. This is almost 50/50 + noise. Second, you don't understand the fundamentals of this country. We establish the free exercise of the rights of the People, all the People. The system was set up not to be direct democracy (as that is mob rule), but rather a democratic Republic in which we have checks to ensure the rights of the minority are not trampled. If you wish to move against the rights of the minority, you are in the wrong, you are practicing evil.
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31 ststes have voted on the issue and 31 states said no, most by huge majorities...........This country is not for gay marriage and I don't believe it ever will be...............

a minority is Blacks, gays are a class of people defined by their sexual preference.......You can't stop being black....you can stop being gay...........
 
Navy Pride said:
31 ststes have voted on the issue and 31 states said no, most by huge majorities...........This country is not for gay marriage and I don't believe it ever will be...............

a minority is Blacks, gays are a class of people defined by their sexual preference.......You can't stop being black....you can stop being gay...........
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:rofl :lamo :2funny:
 
Navy Pride said:
31 ststes have voted on the issue and 31 states said no, most by huge majorities...........This country is not for gay marriage and I don't believe it ever will be...............

a minority is Blacks, gays are a class of people defined by their sexual preference.......You can't stop being black....you can stop being gay...........
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There is much contention to your final conclusion there. And it doesn't really matter. Choice or not, it's a free country. And considering the legal ramifications of the marriage license, especially over estate concerns; there is no reason to deny people their right to contract based on outdated, religious terms. I do think that this nation will one day recognize same sex marriage. There's no reason not to. We're the land of freedom and liberty, and that freedom and liberty was meant to expand over time. There's no "special rights" being asked here, merely full recognition of one's right to contract.

And Michael Jackson stopped being black.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
No it has nothing to do with the American voting system, it has to do with the meaning of the word majority and plurality:

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Reading together.

Majority --
1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.

Plurality --
A large number or amount; a multitude
The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.

Note that it does not specify by how many % or points, etc. it should be bigger; it simply says "greater", "more than half", "exceeds"...

Now, counting: the whole number is 94; half of it is 47; is 49 bigger, greater, more than half, exceeds 47? Yes.
 
aps said:
:rofl :lamo :2funny:
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You can stop being gay. Because apparently people stop being straight, or flip-flop all the time. Or shall we just accept that we are all inherently bisexual but just never have gay/straight sex based on what gets us off.

Me personally I think "Gay" in terms of sexual preference should be classified as a kink like BDSM or Foot Fetishes, but in terms of Same-Sex unions, it shouldn't be any more or less different than any other "minority" group.
 
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Elena said:
Reading together.

Majority --
1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.

Plurality --
A large number or amount; a multitude
The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.

Note that it does not specify by how many % or points, etc. it should be bigger; it simply says "greater", "more than half", "exceeds"...

Now, counting: the whole number is 94; half of it is 47; is 49 bigger, greater, more than half, exceeds 47? Yes.
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You do understand what more than half means....right? The whole number, BTW, is 100. 100% of the votes taken. The total is not merely the addition of the two in question, it is the TOTAL number of vote. Jesus.
 
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Navy Pride said:
and to do the will of the people............Gay Marriage is NOT the will of the people...........
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However....Navy....the tide is turning and it soon will be. The polls have shifted dramatically over the last few years. We will see gay marriage recgonized as a right in every state of this great nation.....even within your lifetime. So you best prepare.
 
Navy Pride said:
31 ststes have voted on the issue and 31 states said no, most by huge majorities...........This country is not for gay marriage and I don't believe it ever will be...............

a minority is Blacks, gays are a class of people defined by their sexual preference.......You can't stop being black....you can stop being gay...........
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Hey Navy.....can you also stop being straight?
Are you telling us that you could just as easily change your orientation so that you are sexually attracted to men? Seems like that is what you are claiming here. Care to provide us a little insight?
 
EpicDude86 said:
Democracy = 51% rule
Republic = Plurality rule

America = Republic


Yes?
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Majority --
1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.

Plurality --
A large number or amount; a multitude
The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.

Note that it does not specify by how many % or points, etc. it should be bigger; it simply says "greater", "more than half", "exceeds"...
 
Elena said:
Majority --
1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.

Plurality --
A large number or amount; a multitude
The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.

Note that it does not specify by how many % or points, etc. it should be bigger; it simply says "greater", "more than half", "exceeds"...
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You have to understand what half is I suppose. You can stop, all you're doing right now is digging a deeper hole. People are already laughing, it's time to employ some damage control.
 
disneydude said:
However....Navy....the tide is turning and it soon will be. The polls have shifted dramatically over the last few years. We will see gay marriage recgonized as a right in every state of this great nation.....even within your lifetime. So you best prepare.
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Perhaps we'll see this stupid debate die when everyone realizes that if you pay your taxes and you don't interfere with someone else's Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness then you are AUTOMATICALLY entitled.

This debate is childish. Really. We're THAT insecure with fudge packers and carpet munchers that we can't accept them as normal like us? And in turn, they have to have damn 3-day parades that tie up traffic because they're proud of being "different"? HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?!
 
This isn't an issue that should be defined by a simple majority vote....any more than inter-racial marriage or other rights and privileges defined by the Constitution.

Ultimately gay marriage will be approved by simply majority vote, the tide has already been set in motion and what appeared like it would take decades, is likely to become a reality within a relatively short time.
Its just sad that in America it has to come about this way. We are generally a nation who ultimately does the right thing because it is the right thing to do....not just because it was put to a simple majority vote.
 
Elena said:
Precisely the point!

Then why do we have to be subjected to "Gay Pride" marches, gay awareness at schools or quotas for gay people at work?

If gays have a right to rub their gayness into our faces, then we have an equal right to oppose it.
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Because they don't have the same rights as you. You get to marry who you love. They don't. THAT is what makes it unequal. Despite peoples spin of that not mattering. Which is a cop out to help them sleep better at night.
 
Ikari said:
You have to understand what half is I suppose. You can stop, all you're doing right now is digging a deeper hole. People are already laughing, it's time to employ some damage control.
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or take a Civics class.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Because they don't have the same rights as you. You get to marry who you love. They don't. THAT is what makes it unequal. Despite peoples spin of that not mattering. Which is a cop out to help them sleep better at night.
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As a breeder I don't get to marry just whomever I love.
 
We as a society perpetuate minorities by creating things like Affirmative Action and Pro-Minority legislation. We need to just accept everyone as equal and be done with it. More legislation is only going to piss more people off and continue the rift, but I guess everyone doesn't want us unified as a Nation. Whatever.
 
Ikari said:
You do understand what more than half means....right? The whole number, BTW, is 100. 100% of the votes taken. The total is not merely the addition of the two in question, it is the TOTAL number of vote. Jesus.
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I am not Jesus, but I can try to help you.

If you have 2 apples, it's 100%; if you have 200 apples, its 100%; if you have any number of apples, that number will be your 100%...

100% means "ALL THAT YOU HAVE".

Now, we have 94% of the total voting for an issue; that 94% will be our 100% where the issue is concerned. Comprende?
 
disneydude said:
We are generally a nation who ultimately does the right thing because it is the right thing to do....not just because it was put to a simple majority vote.
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I think Churchill said it best. "The United States can always be counted upon to do the right thing after it has exhausted every other available option."
 
Elena said:
When the majority of your society decided it wants to do so.

And let me remind you of one basic: it's a state with all its institutions, laws and constitutions that exists for the people, not people for the state. And if the majority of people decide they want a change in laws then it is the duty of the state to do so.
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And yet despite the majority wanting to keep blacks from marrying whites in Virginia the law seperating them was thrown out.
 
Ikari said:
Wow. I'm not sure if you're being factious here or if you're really this dense. If the majority wants slavery, their wish is not imposed as that wish infringes upon the rights of the minority. .
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Correct me if I am wrong, but when slavery was a wish of the majority, you had slavery.
 
Elena said:
Majority --
1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.

Plurality --
A large number or amount; a multitude
The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.

Note that it does not specify by how many % or points, etc. it should be bigger; it simply says "greater", "more than half", "exceeds"...
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Are you taking this from dictionary.com? How come there's no link?

If you are taking it from dictionary.com, why are you ignoring this

3. the amount by which the greater number, as of votes, surpasses the remainder (distinguished from plurality ).

Majority Definition | Definition of Majority at Dictionary.com
 
Elena said:
I am not Jesus, but I can try to help you.

If you have 2 apples, it's 100%; if you have 200 apples, its 100%; if you have any number of apples, that number will be your 100%...

100% means "ALL THAT YOU HAVE".

Now, we have 94% of the total voting for an issue; that 94% will be our 100% where the issue is concerned. Comprende?
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OMFG. Now, you have 100% voting for a position. There was another candidate who got some votes as well.

Person A:49
Person B: 45
Person C: 6
Total 100
half of total 50
Wining candidate 49<50
Did not get the majority of the votes, but got the plurality.

Comprende? Holy ****, I didn't think this should be so tough. Humans have a large degree of intellect; it's time for you to employ it.
 
disneydude said:
It was also eliminated, without a simple majority vote to do so.
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Seem to recall that process involving a civil war, though. Not the best example of how things ought to work here.
 
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