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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

Well, for me it was activism of sorts. Yes they are elected to create legislation, but occasionally in Maine we have laws coming out of Augusta that doesn't have the support of a majority of voters. The legislators who approved of same sex marriage in Maine obviously forgot to ask the voters how they felt about the issue before they voted on it.

Maine voters can tend be rebellious when they are told to accept something whether they like it or not.

So you didn't mind stepping on gays in order to prove a point to the legislators. Doesn't that bother you?

And yes I know I've already posted that question several times. But 1: no ones directly answered it, and 2: I'm trying to get you to understand what it is you have done here. Which is stomp on gays...even though you don't care if they get married.
 
So I'm assuming by this post you live in Maine? And that you voted to repeal this law? Just because some legislators already made it law without asking you? So though you don't care if gay's can get married you also don't mind trampling over them to "punish" the legislators?

And Alex is right. That is the legislators job.

Yes, I live in Maine, which gives me a bit more insight into how a lot of folks up here felt about this particular issue. I don't feel Maine voters are intentionally trampling over anyone. If you lived here you would realize most of us have a live and let live attitude. What lawmakers in Augusta can't seem to get a grasp of is a lot of folks in Maine don't like being told we have to accept laws being passed where we haven't even been asked if we want them or not.
 
Yes, I live in Maine, which gives me a bit more insight into how a lot of folks up here felt about this particular issue. I don't feel Maine voters are intentionally trampling over anyone. If you lived here you would realize most of us have a live and let live attitude. What lawmakers in Augusta can't seem to get a grasp of is a lot of folks in Maine don't like being told we have to accept laws being passed where we haven't even been asked if we want them or not.

I didn't ask about Maine voters, I asked about you. You've stated here that you don't care if gay's get married. And yet just because the legislators did their job without asking you what you thought about it you had to vote the law down. Despite the fact that by doing such a thing you brought down the right, granted by your legislators, for gays to get married.

Let me ask you something. How many laws are passed in Maine per year? And do you vote on all of them?
 
So you didn't mind stepping on gays in order to prove a point to the legislators. Doesn't that bother you?
I realize you can't grasp the concept that a lot of voters in Maine are fed up with legislation being forced on us without any consideration about voters concerns regarding laws we have to abide by. No, it doesn't bother me because I'm tired of laws coming out of Augusta that should been proposed instead of mandated.

And yes I know I've already posted that question several times. But 1: no ones directly answered it, and 2: I'm trying to get you to understand what it is you have done here. Which is stomp on gays...even though you don't care if they get married.
Once again I don't feel we are stomping on gays as you so graciously put it. We were told we were going to accept this law without even being asked if we agreed with it or not. Not everyone who voted against it felt this way, but I know from talking to folks in my area it was a factor in how they were going to vote on it.
 
I realize you can't grasp the concept that a lot of voters in Maine are fed up with legislation being forced on us without any consideration about voters concerns regarding laws we have to abide by. No, it doesn't bother me because I'm tired of laws coming out of Augusta that should been proposed instead of mandated.


Once again I don't feel we are stomping on gays as you so graciously put it. We were told we were going to accept this law without even being asked if we agreed with it or not. Not everyone who voted against it felt this way, but I know from talking to folks in my area it was a factor in how they were going to vote on it.

From my point of view, I see a bunch of elementary-school kids throwing a tantrum to prove a point. It's pathetic.
 
LOL, when are you gay marriage advocates going to realize that normal people don't think like you? When the most liberal state in the union shot it down last year, you should have taken your hint and cut your losses.
 
First Off Peter shut the **** up you don't live in Maine nor in the United States so you have no ****ing idea what the hell your talking about. We the Citz. of Maine voted on this issue and decide that WE didn't want to have this law hence WE excerised OUR 1st Adm Rights. What ****ing part of that don't you understand oh I know US Constitution better then you Scorpion. maybe you should just stick to what the hell goes on in England and Europe from now on. Or get on a plane and move to Maine and learn something about us who live there.

Again, someone losing the argument resorts to personal attacks and the "you aint American" bs angle. Listen, we have had the same discussions in Europe for decades, but over here, logic, freedom and liberty triumphs over religious bigotry.

Yes you exercised your rights, and so what? Does not mean that the debate is remotely in the sphere of reality in Maine or anywhere else in the US. It is still bogged down in religious dogma vs logical law making.

And just because I am not American, that some how bars me from voicing my opinion on the subject?

Maybe you should change these boards to the Debate Right Wing Politics, AMERICANS ONLY!...
 
If the issue of allowing same sex marriage would have been presented to Maine voters in the form of a referendum question on a ballot before it was forced on Mainers from the legislature I believe the outcome would have been different.

I don't oppose gay marriage. What I was opposed to was legislation coming from lawmakers telling us once again that they are hell-bent on passing laws in Maine without voters being included in the decision making process.

I think this is part of it. I support gay marriage, but I wasn't terribly thrilled with how this was decided for us. It's such a big issue that it *had* to be something we voted on.

I had said all along this fall that the outcome of this vote would give an idea just how conservative/liberal Maine really is. On one hand I'm surprised that the vote turned out this way, but on the other, I'm not really.

There's really not a huge gay population here from what I've seen. Gay guys tend to move to Boston/NYC. Most of Maine's gays are lesbians. Lesbians seem to like the woods. :2razz:

So while this outcome is disappointing (and I realize it's easy for me to minimize the effect since I'm legally married), I think the fact that it was so close is a huge step in the right direction. Civil change doesn't happen overnight. But it happens. Give it some more time. I do believe people will come around.

I just want to add as a Mainer, I'm sorry.
 
we have had the same discussions in Europe for decades, but over here, logic, freedom and liberty triumphs over religious bigotry.

a) Anal intercourse as well as w-on-w has nothing to do with logic, freedom or liberty;

b) the opposition to shoving "gayness" into everyone's face has nothing to do with religious bigotry;

c) And look what good politically correct promotion of "gayness" done to European societies: let's face it, Europe is going down the same road erosion of all moral principles and preoccupation with perversions took Ancient Rome;

d) Public cowardice before political correct gestapo is not a triumph of liberty.

And let's be clear on one thing: gay activism is not interested in EQUALITY. They are interested in PRIVILEGES. Why do I know it? Because no one has to even know who is or isn't gay. Sexual life of any individual is a private matter, unless that individual wants to flaunt it before everyone demanding everyone's approval, and when people object, use it as an excuse to claim victimhood and (in some cases) a compensation.
 
This is what happens when you have mob rule... but at least things are improving. The majority is no longer an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.

Will you consider it mob if hypothetically they decide to ask the voters in ten or twenty years if they wish to legalize gay marriage and it passes?
 
So now we have legislative activism?

Legislators are elected to create legislation, that's what they do. The voters were included in the decision making process by electing the legislators.

So you would be cool if legislators passed a law in Milwaukee requiring that citizens be armed or required that creation be taught in schools after all they were elected to pass laws?
 
a) Anal intercourse as well as w-on-w has nothing to do with logic, freedom or liberty;

Can we stop with the anal crap? For one thing, what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of anyone's business. I'm sure heteros get a little freaky too, but since it's none of anyone's business ... well ... it's none of anyone's business.

Second, I recently learned this myself. All gays don't do anal. :naughty So you're perperuating a falicy that has no bearing on the GM issue.
 
Now the legal aspect of marriage is not a religious thing. This has to do with taxes, inheritance and so on and that is all civilian law... heck even marriage is that these days too.. you need a licence for example and can skip the whole church thing if you want.

If these were the only issues, laws should be passed to make taxes and inheritances recognize gay alliances. I doubt anyone would object to that.
 
LOL, when are you gay marriage advocates going to realize that normal people don't think like you? When the most liberal state in the union shot it down last year, you should have taken your hint and cut your losses.

47% do like them. That's not pocket change, bub. Actually, that's pretty close to the percentage who voted McCain Palin in this state, so are you going to infer that most normal people don't like conservative presidential candidates?
 
For one thing, what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of anyone's business. .

Precisely the point!

Then why do we have to be subjected to "Gay Pride" marches, gay awareness at schools or quotas for gay people at work?

If gays have a right to rub their gayness into our faces, then we have an equal right to oppose it.
 
What is really sad that in America today....basic human rights are put to a popular vote. To me that is more sad than any outcome.
 
What is really sad that in America today....basic human rights are put to a popular vote. To me that is more sad than any outcome.

Are you "for" or "against" democracy? Make up your mind. As they say in Russia "или трусы наденьте, или крестик снимите".


Democracy only when it suits your agenda is not democracy.
 
Are you "for" or "against" democracy? Make up your mind. As they say in Russia "или трусы наденьте, или крестик снимите".


Democracy only when it suits your agenda is not democracy.

Do you think citizens rights should be put to a vote?
 
Precisely the point!

Then why do we have to be subjected to "Gay Pride" marches, gay awareness at schools or quotas for gay people at work?

If gays have a right to rub their gayness into our faces, then we have an equal right to oppose it.

Are they doing "anal" in our faces? Cause I've never seen it. Precisely indeed.
 
Do you think citizens rights should be put to a vote?

Rights is not something everyone is born with. Rights is a dosage of freedom the society apportions to individuals on certain conditions; and if the majority of the society does not want to satisfy a demand from a minority of individuals then tough.
 
Rights is not something everyone is born with. Rights is a dosage of freedom the society apportions to individuals on certain conditions; and if the majority of the society does not want to satisfy a demand from a minority of individuals then tough.

We have a Constitution here in the US.
 
Are they doing "anal" in our faces? Cause I've never seen it. Precisely indeed.

Do I have to answer your little "I don't know what objection I can come up with, so I will just pretend to be slow on the uptake"?
 
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