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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    But the discrimination applies equally to all religions where as the the discrimination regarding gay marriage does not apply equally to the sexes.
    Yes it does.

    No sex is allowed to marry the same-sex. All sexes are under the same restriction. Not all races were under the same restriction. Blacks were only barred from marrying whites, but were still free to marry any other ethnic group. So to were whites allowed to marry any ethnic group other than Blacks.

    Gays can marry gays as long as the gay they want to marry meets the criteria.

    If a gay chooses a gay who is already married, the government will rightly discriminate against that gay couple.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what?

    Because it is wrong and I don't have to support it, thank you very much.
    Despite numerous proddings, you still have failed to explain how allowing people to engage in a contract is supporting their lifestyle. Jesus didn't say to go out and forcibly prevent people from sinning, did he? If he was the son of god, he certainly had the power to force it. But he relied upon persuasion, not force.

    Race and gender are not the same thing. Never have been and never will be do to biological limitations.
    Anti-miscegenation wasn't really about race. SSM isn't about gender. They are both about sexual preferences.

    That was not a debate, this is, or was before you got here.
    Riiiight. So in debates analogies are invalid?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gays meet 2/3 of those requirements if they can successfully argue that gay-marriage would not exacerbate the divorce rate.
    Can you prove that they would?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Can you prove that they would?
    Let's say I can prove it to your satisfaction: it wouldn't make any difference, since gays would still fail to meet all 3 requirements.

    If you were going the "well we should create that right" argument, I'm right there with you. Maybe we should create it, but that doesn't mean the right exists now.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Despite numerous proddings, you still have failed to explain how allowing people to engage in a contract is supporting their lifestyle.
    Because I am not against that. I have stated my position what? 3 times in this thread alone. Please read what I posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Jesus didn't say to go out and forcibly prevent people from sinning, did he? If he was the son of god, he certainly had the power to force it. But he relied upon persuasion, not force.
    You have got to be kidding?

    Romans 1:18-27 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

    Therefore, God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
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    Do I need to make it any clearer?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Because I am not against that. I have stated my position what? 3 times in this thread alone. Please read what I posted.



    You have got to be kidding?

    Romans 1:18-27 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

    Therefore, God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
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    Do I need to make it any clearer?
    Remember what I said about poking holes in your own boat? While you're proving to yourself and other like-minded individuals that you have all the grounds in the world to believe what you believe, you're not going to convince anyone else because they don't have the same belief system as you. The point of these debates is to try and bridge that gap and bring about understanding betwixt the two opposing sides.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes it does.

    No sex is allowed to marry the same-sex. All sexes are under the same restriction. Not all races were under the same restriction. Blacks were only barred from marrying whites, but were still free to marry any other ethnic group. So to were whites allowed to marry any ethnic group other than Blacks.

    Gays can marry gays as long as the gay they want to marry meets the criteria.

    If a gay chooses a gay who is already married, the government will rightly discriminate against that gay couple.
    Ya understand very little about equal protection. Ill post more on this when I'm not posting from my phone.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There has to be a fundamental right being infringed, you have to not be able to control the attribute, and the state must not have a compelling interest to infringe.

    Gays meet 2/3 of those requirements if they can successfully argue that gay-marriage would not exacerbate the divorce rate.

    Gays do not, however, have the right to marry the same-sex. No one does. Therefore it is not "Discrimination" under the law.



    Mhmm, the Lemon Test, I know all about it, which is how I know I'm right.

    Jerry....you really should read the Equal Protection 101 that I posted. It would teach you that you are in fact incorrect.



    You do understand that there are three tiers to equal protection right?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Remember what I said about poking holes in your own boat? While you're proving to yourself and other like-minded individuals that you have all the grounds in the world to believe what you believe, you're not going to convince anyone else because they don't have the same belief system as you. The point of these debates is to try and bridge that gap and bring about understanding betwixt the two opposing sides.
    Since when did the point of this thread become about bridging a gap? Your premise is false, which is leading you to a false conclusion. This thread asked for an opinion on the subject.

    Other posters commented on others opinions as well and why they thought the way they do. Just because it is posted in a debate forum does not automatically make it a debate.

    I am simply stating my point of view which was asked for by the original poster.

    No holes in that.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Jerry....you really should read the Equal Protection 101 that I posted. It would teach you that you are in fact incorrect.



    You do understand that there are three tiers to equal protection right?
    You haven't presented any argument demonstrating equal protection, how it applies to gays, or how I'm wrong.

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