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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

    I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side are willing to admit.
    Why do you believe that some people are entitled to certain rights and privileges while feeling justified in denying those same rights and privileges to others?

    Saying "I don't think it is marriage" is fine for an opinion.....which you are certainly entitled to have. It doesn't however mean that it is correct.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Virginia amended it's State Constitution and thus polls are irrelevant here. IN the context of what you're saying, I agree and why I think it a mistake for the gay community to push this fake issue now. Why not wait until you stand a chance, it's 0-31 in referendum.
    Virginia amended its State Constitution and thus polls are irrelevant here. IN the context of what you're saying, I agree, and that is why I think it's a mistake for the Gay Community to push this fake issue now. Why not wait until you stand a chance? It's 0-31 in referendum.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    How does that say different. Ten years ago, this wouldn't have even been close. 2 years from now the result will likely be even closer or gay marriage may win outright.
    The reality is....the change in attitudes and demographics is changing the face of this issue rapidly.
    The fact it was a law and got voted down says allot.

    I agree it is changing, but not as rapidly as you like to think. The number in recent elections bears this out.

    Welcome to a reality check.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

    I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side are willing to admit.
    That's quite possible. I completely understand where you are coming from, but no one religion has a monopoly on "marriage" as an institution. A lot of people who don't want to call it "marriage" are coming from a religious point of view and religion shouldn't dictate politics, nor should politics dictate religion. No church should be forced to perform a marriage that is against their ideology. I think that alone, if it were implemented, would take away a lot of the concern that people have about calling it marriage.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just
    The problem is that it is a legal issue and people have used these in past to discriminate from a legal POV.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Why do you believe that some people are entitled to certain rights and privileges while feeling justified in denying those same rights and privileges to others?

    Saying "I don't think it is marriage" is fine for an opinion.....which you are certainly entitled to have. It doesn't however mean that it is correct.
    According to some religions it isn't marriage and probably never will be. They should be afforded the right to not have to perform a marriage if they don't agree with it ideologically. We shouldn't be forcing this stuff down their throats via legislation. One thing of concern is that if gay marriage were legal there would inevitably be issues with certain churches that refuse to perform these ceremonies.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    That's quite possible. I completely understand where you are coming from, but no one religion has a monopoly on "marriage" as an institution. A lot of people who don't want to call it "marriage" are coming from a religious point of view and religion shouldn't dictate politics, nor should politics dictate religion.
    I disagree. A persons religion should dictate their politics. So because an atheist has a different set of moral values not influenced by religion his or her vote should have more power? No, it should not.

    In essence religion will always influence politics as long as religion exists. Not as a religious institution as I agree on that point but that is where it ends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    No church should be forced to perform a marriage that is against their ideology. I think that alone, if it were implemented, would take away a lot of the concern that people have about calling it marriage.
    No it wouldn't, people think it is morally wrong. Or like me think it is not a marraige.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The problem is that it is a legal issue and people have used these in past to discriminate from a legal POV.
    If the government would have just left marraige alone in the first place this, would not even be a problem. Since they did not it is a problem and we will deal with it.

    Fact is the voters have said they don't want it.

    End of story for now.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I disagree. A persons religion should dictate their politics. So because an atheist has a different set of moral values not influenced by religion his or her vote should have more power? No, it should not.

    In essence religion will always influence politics as long as religion exists. Not as a religious institution as I agree on that point but that is where it ends.
    Influencing is one thing. I'm talking about religion dictating politics. Politics shouldn't be changed for purely religious reasons. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, because it does. I think that the true spirit of this country is against that sort of thing.


    No it wouldn't, people think it is morally wrong. Or like me think it is not a marraige.
    And most people's moral views are influenced largely by their religious or spiritual beliefs.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If the government would have just left marraige alone in the first place this, would not even be a problem. Since they did not it is a problem and we will deal with it.
    I don't see how that would have solved anything. There's absolutely no reason why same sex couples shouldn't have the same legal rights that heterosexual couples do. It's incredibly easy to be unsympathetic to an issue when you aren't in it yourself or don't have loved ones who experience it. The current system is incredibly discriminatory and it should be changed to at least allow civil unions.

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