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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Sorry. I'm posting from my phone so I keep it brief. I will get back to it though.
    Ahh no worries, mate.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So that would mean sex with out the intention for pro creation and for just just pure pleasure is......?
    What all non-overweight, World of Warcraft-playing, basement dwelling, 30-year old virgins do.

    In other words, it rocks if you can get any. But if you can't then I guess lying and saying "I don't want sex because I've taken a vow of abstinence with Gawd" helps relieve your disappointment.

    Sorry I just tell it like it is. lol

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My point is you need to worry about those on your side who are lying about who they are far more than you need to worry about people like Navy.
    Just out of curiosity can you provide any data of gay people outside of religious coercion who have claimed to change their sexual orientation? No offense, but I have never seen any evidence outside of religious sources (NARTH, Focus on the Family, etc.) that gays can easily change their sexual orientation. Surely, you can provide one non religious source that makes that claim. If not, then perhaps the question should be whether sexual orientation is the issue or if religiosity is the issue.

    Or perhaps you can make the claim that the good ol' Father who writes for NARTH often makes and say that gays can only change their sexual orientation with the help of God.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 11-06-09 at 03:52 PM.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Just out of curiosity can you provide any data of gay people outside of religious coercion who have claimed to change their sexual orientation?
    It sounds like you know of gays who have changed their born sexual orientation through religious coercion.

    I can't say my contributions to this conversation are based on any study, so I'm not prepared to offer any data in any regard. I mean I could do what everyone else does and Google something real quick and struggle to structure an argument around whatever crappy link I come up with, pretending my argument was based on said random link all along, but I'm not in the mood.

    Or were you asking me to link to my sister's face-book?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No offense, but I have never seen any evidence outside of religious sources (NARTH, Focus on the Family, etc.) that gays can easily change their sexual orientation. Surely, you can provide one non religious source that makes that claim. If not, then perhaps the question should be whether sexual orientation is the issue or if religiosity is the issue.

    Or perhaps you can make the claim that the good ol' Father who writes for NARTH often makes and say that gays can only change their sexual orientation with the help of God.
    No offense taken. It was Navy's claim, so let him provide your data.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Jerry we have been over this a dozen times... DD knows my position on the issue he is just trying to hijack the thread...........
    I'm not hijacking the thread. I'm just not allowing you to raise an issue and then run away from it.

    Go back and review the thread Navy.....YOU are the one that raised the issue...and I can't understand WHY you can't answer the question.

    Are you saying that you could just as easily be attracted to men if you decided to change your sexual orientation?
    Everytime you run away from the question Navy.....everyone here can see that you are dodging....
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It sounds like you know of gays who have changed their born sexual orientation through religious coercion.
    I know people who think they have.

    I can't say my contributions to this conversation are based on any study, so I'm not prepared to offer any data in any regard. I mean I could do what everyone else does and Google something real quick and struggle to structure an argument around whatever crappy link I come up with, pretending my argument was based on said random link all along, but I'm not in the mood.
    If you can find a relevant, valid study by that means, then I would love to see it.

    Or were you asking me to link to my sister's face-book?
    Does she feel she managed to change her sexual orientation without religious pressure from her family or church?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You just totally ducked my question.

    Why the absolute only applies to people who think they are gay but not the other way around?
    I'm not trying to dodge the question....maybe I didn't understand exactly what you were saying. I'll try again.

    I think there are gay people who pretend to be straight.
    I believe that there are straight people that for whatever reason engaging in gay sex and discover later that they weren't really gay.

    Unlike Navy....I cannot change my sexual orientation. I don't believe that most people can.

    If that still doesn't answer your question...hit me back and I'll try again.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It sounds like you know of gays who have changed their born sexual orientation through religious coercion.
    I know people that have tried that. It did not work though.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I know people that have tried that. It did not work though.
    That they tried is itself profound, as it shows they're uncomfortable with their orientation to some degree. How can we now count them among those who actually are gay and not those who claim to be gay but haven't yet discoverd they're not? How do we tell the 2 groups apart?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Does she feel she managed to change her sexual orientation without religious pressure from her family or church?
    If that's a conditional to the answer you give, then please understand that I'm not offering to give you the link as that would violate her privacy and the forum rules.

    I was not offering you a link, I was asking for clarity on your post.

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