Page 7 of 99 FirstFirst ... 567891757 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 989

Thread: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

  1. #61
    Sage
    disneydude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 07:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    25,144

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    When the majority of your society decided it wants to do so.

    And let me remind you of one basic: it's a state with all its institutions, laws and constitutions that exists for the people, not people for the state. And if the majority of people decide they want a change in laws then it is the duty of the state to do so.
    You obviously do not understand civics or the Constitution.
    So now if the citizens decided to restrict marriage to white christians.....you'd be ok with that?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

  2. #62
    Sage
    Gill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    The Derby City
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 10:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    8,686

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Loving vs Virginia.
    Apples and oranges....

    Plaintiffs' reliance on Loving v. Virginia (388 US 1 [1967]) for the proposition that the US Supreme Court has established a fundamental "right to marry the spouse of one's choice" outside the male/female construct is misplaced....

    There is no question that the Court viewed this antimiscegenation statute as an affront to the very purpose for the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment—to combat invidious racial discrimination. In its brief due process analysis, the Supreme Court reiterated that marriage is a right "fundamental to our very existence and survival" (id., citing Skinner, 316 US at 541)—a clear reference to the link between marriage and procreation. It reasoned: "To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes . . . is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law" (id.). Although the Court characterized the right to marry as a "choice," it did not articulate the broad "right to marry the spouse of one's choice" suggested by plaintiffs here. Rather, the Court observed that "[t]he Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations" (id. [emphasis added]). Needless to say, a statutory scheme that burdens a fundamental right by making conduct criminal based on the race of the individual who engages in it is inimical to the values embodied in the state and federal Due Process clauses. Far from recognizing a right to marry extending beyond the one woman and one man union, it is evident from the Loving decision that the Supreme Court viewed marriage as fundamental precisely because of its relationship to human procreation.
    New York Court of Appeals, Hernandez v. Robles, 2006

    • "The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -- Alexis de Tocqueville





  3. #63
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    11-26-09 @ 04:56 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    737

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I honestly don't see elena getting it. She's blinded by her hatred towards anal intercourse being done in her presence.
    English might not be my first language, but I am quite capable of expressing my thoughts without employing a personal mouthpiece, thank you.

  4. #64
    Passionate
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    03-07-11 @ 04:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    15,675

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    English might not be my first language, but I am quite capable of expressing my thoughts without employing a personal mouthpiece, thank you.
    Hello? Where did I attack your language? The extreme anger you exude in your posts on this topic is unmistakable. Geez. It's rather sad.

  5. #65
    Professor
    Cassandra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Maine
    Last Seen
    11-02-17 @ 02:39 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,319

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I think this is part of it. I support gay marriage, but I wasn't terribly thrilled with how this was decided for us. It's such a big issue that it *had* to be something we voted on.

    I had said all along this fall that the outcome of this vote would give an idea just how conservative/liberal Maine really is. On one hand I'm surprised that the vote turned out this way, but on the other, I'm not really.

    There's really not a huge gay population here from what I've seen. Gay guys tend to move to Boston/NYC. Most of Maine's gays are lesbians. Lesbians seem to like the woods.

    So while this outcome is disappointing (and I realize it's easy for me to minimize the effect since I'm legally married), I think the fact that it was so close is a huge step in the right direction. Civil change doesn't happen overnight. But it happens. Give it some more time. I do believe people will come around.

    I just want to add as a Mainer, I'm sorry.
    I voted NO which is to say I voted YES for allowing gay marriage.

    And I wonder how many people did not vote as they wished to simply because the question was worded confusingly. Intentionally, I am sure.

    Also, ads were all over the T.V. trying to persuade people that their kids were going to be taught deviant things from kindergarten, onward if the law remained intact. I say Hurray for Mainers that so many people saw their way through the morass of misinformation and came out 47% for tolerance.

  6. #66
    Passionate
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Last Seen
    03-07-11 @ 04:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    15,675

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Apples and oranges....



    New York Court of Appeals, Hernandez v. Robles, 2006
    So the New York Court of Appeals's interpretation of Loving v. Virginia outweighs the Supreme Court's decision? That's news to me.

  7. #67
    Sage
    disneydude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 07:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    25,144

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I voted NO which is to say I voted YES for allowing gay marriage.

    And I wonder how many people did not vote as they wished to simply because the question was worded confusingly. Intentionally, I am sure.

    Also, ads were all over the T.V. trying to persuade people that their kids were going to be taught deviant things from kindergarten, onward if the law remained intact. I say Hurray for Mainers that so many people saw their way through the morass of misinformation and came out 47% for tolerance.
    Sounds like they employed the same deceitful tactics that they used here in California.
    Somehow people justify their lies if they believe that their cause is just.
    Shame on you people.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

  8. #68
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Last Seen
    11-26-09 @ 04:56 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    737

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    All I can say is "Shame on People" who want rights for themselves and want to deny them to others.
    True! If gay promoters want to have the rights to flaunt gayness in public, they should accept the right of the public to express their views on it.

  9. #69
    Sage
    disneydude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 07:24 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    25,144

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    True! If gay promoters want to have the rights to flaunt gayness in public, they should accept the right of the public to express their views on it.
    What about flaunting "blackness" in public....or "jewish" in public?
    If the majority find that to be wrong....should their rights be put to a popular vote under your scenario?
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

  10. #70
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just so you know I believe that we are using the term "mob rule" in it's slang equivalent. Which among it's various definations is "the common people; the masses; populace or multitude." At least I am. Though admittedly it does seem like you were upset at what the legislators in your state did so....
    The term mob rule is incorrect in a representative democracy. This country isn't, in a strictly accurate sense, even a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. The voters in Maine have spoken, but there are mechanisms by which their voice can be overruled. These would include the Maine supreme court and the U.S. Supreme Court.

Page 7 of 99 FirstFirst ... 567891757 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •