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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't know that there is anything wrong with it, but that doesn't mean gay-marriage is a civil rights issue.
    The moment Maine's legislature passed the statute that gave gays the right to marry in Maine, same sex marriage became a civil right in that state. What definition of civil right are you going by that a legal guarantee by a state meant to protect a vulnerable minority is not considered a civil right?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

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    The moment Maine's legislature passed the statute that gave gays the right to marry in Maine, same sex marriage became a civil right in that state.
    Hmm that's a good point, I'll give you that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What definition of civil right are you going by that a legal guarantee by a state meant to protect a vulnerable minority is not considered a civil right?
    Apparently it's not a civil rights issue any longer, as the law was repealed.

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    No, that's the easy way out, I won't take it.

    The law did not give gays the right to marry gays, as gays could already marry gays of the opposite sex. The law gave everyone the right to marry either sex. The majority of Main decided that they didn't want the right to marry the same sex. Main has the right remove any right from itself it wishes.

    Why would heteros want to marry the same-sex?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hmm that's a good point, I'll give you that one.

    Apparently it's not a civil rights issue any longer, as the law was repealed.
    Indeed. Civil rights are earned, they aren't just naturally given to you. Maine voters effectively took away the civil rights of gays with this vote. Now it is a human rights issue in that state, until there is a law that once again gives gays the right marry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why would heteros want to marry the same-sex?
    Probably the same reason that gays would want to marry the opposite sex.
    Last edited by CriticalThought; 11-06-09 at 12:03 AM.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? This was a veto referendum. For the law to never be brought up again, the state would have had to pass a Constitutional amendment. You really don't understand your own government, do you? It could even be brought up on another referendum in a few years. By chance, are you trying to spread misinformation?

    Actually age isn't the main factor that is important. Education is the number one distinguishing factor when it comes to gay marriage support. Unless you are saying that Maine is getting dumber, then I doubt there is too much to be concerned about.

    Duh! There were only 6 states that had gay marriage. In fact, Maine was the first one to pass it by legislative vote.

    There isn't the support at present. In 10 years, then maybe. The best course of action the gay rights activists could aim for is to be patient and stay the course. There may be a federal court decision for same sex marriage, but that has the potential to backfire at present into a Federal Constitutional Amendment against same sex marriage.

    Maine was not the first state to pass gay marriage via legislative vote. NH and VT also did so. I think Maine came after both, but I'm not sure. Maybe b/w VT and NH, but I do think after. I think we had become the sixth state that had legalized gay marriage.

    And, age was a factor in the Maine vote. Age, and rural vs city.

    As to the citizen's veto, I don't really know when/if it can be brought up that way again. I know the gov can't overturn a ballot initiative by the people. The citizen's veto hasn't been used that often in Maine, I don't really know the ins and outs of it.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Maine was not the first state to pass gay marriage via legislative vote. NH and VT also did so. I think Maine came after both, but I'm not sure. Maybe b/w VT and NH, but I do think after. I think we had become the sixth state that had legalized gay marriage.
    My mistake. Vermont was the first state.

    As to the citizen's veto, I don't really know when/if it can be brought up that way again. I know the gov can't overturn a ballot initiative by the people. The citizen's veto hasn't been used that often in Maine, I don't really know the ins and outs of it.
    I see nothing that says that a people's veto could not be overturned by the state government. It would be suicide for the politicians to do so at this time, but it wouldn't be unconstitutional. In fact, it seems to me that the people's veto isn't really any different than the governor's veto.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    My mistake. Vermont was the first state.



    I see nothing that says that a people's veto could not be overturned by the state government. It would be suicide for the politicians to do so at this time, but it wouldn't be unconstitutional. In fact, it seems to me that the people's veto isn't really any different than the governor's veto.

    I tried to google, and got lost in pages of law and constitution and got bored. I imagine it will come up in the news, eventually.

    I did find a Press Herald article (local paper) that suggested it could be brought up again in the 2011 legislature. Maybe an election has to pass before it can be brought up again? I really don't know.

    Supporters can bring a bill back to the Legislature in 2011 or pursue court action. The timing and method would depend largely on who gets elected governor next year, and whether the Legislature continues to be in Democratic hands.

    Fight goes on over marriage | Portland Press Herald

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Probably the same reason that gays would want to marry the opposite sex.
    Right, so just as gays wouldn't get all up in arms over the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, so do most heteros have difficulty becoming enthusiastic over marrying the same sex.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I tried to google, and got lost in pages of law and constitution and got bored. I imagine it will come up in the news, eventually.

    I did find a Press Herald article (local paper) that suggested it could be brought up again in the 2011 legislature. Maybe an election has to pass before it can be brought up again? I really don't know.
    I'm in the same boat as you are, I don't much about the fine print of the People's Veto. I don't think the outcome would be any different if they try to legalize gay marriage again as early as 2011 though. As you saw with this years ballot getting Mainer's to change their minds after they approved or rejected a previous law is no easy task.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am not going to fall into your trap of hijacking the thread DD..We have been over thia a dozen tmes........
    I'm interested in your thoughts on how one changes their sexual preference at the drop of a hat. Enlighten me.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    One last entry on this...........A female officer in the Washington National Guard did that here.........After over 30 years marriage an 3 grown children she divorced her husband and moved in with a lesbian..............

    There are many cases like that, especially people changing from gay to straight......Now I know what your going to say that they are actually BI, well no one knows thats for sure..........

    Now you know my position on this issue.. I have stated it a dozen times so I aks you again please stay on topic.............
    How is he NOT staying on topic when YOU YOU YOU said that gay people can change to being straight.

    Let me just say that I haven't missed you AT ALL on here.

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