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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is in the execution of your will towards your estate and the handling of it.
    Are you saying the gov't treats the wills of married people differently then non-married ppl with identical but privately created will? I don't believe this is true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not to mention the varying insurance, tax, ect. conditions which come along with the marriage license.
    taxes are specifically legislated just like medicare and social security. The government is allowed to discriminate for particular reasons.

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    If there was no "right" to process contract; government could refuse a vast majority of contract by not processing them till situations occur which are favorable to the State. Since contract is a right, the government has to be able to accept and process those contracts on a reasonable time scale.
    I wasn't aware that the gov't exacted and processed private contracts. To my knowledge they only run the courts to clear up civil matters that deal with contracts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not to mention the monetary difference in processing one contract as opposed to several different ones, some necessitating the use of a lawyer.
    One again, where is the constitutional precedent for requiring the government to expedite private contracts? There is none.

    As much as I think it would be "more fair" and would vote for it, its not required.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    HAHAH, no the opposite. Slavery, first off, was made illegal in many of the northern States. Which is why slaves would sometimes run to these northern states to escape slavery. Secondly, it was the South which would have encountered more economic ruin than the industrialized North. Slavery was initially allowed when the Constitution was first conceived to promote a compromise between the North and South to solidify the nation. Built in was time removal for the slave trade and eventually pressure built internationally for the ending of slavery as an institution in general.
    Strictly speaking, it was primarily to keep the south in the union. The south may have seceded primarily because of trying to keep slavery and secondarily state's rights in general, but the north didn't wage war to prevent the south from practicing slavery, but to keep the union whole.

    I actually think the south had the right to secede, even if slavery is wrong. And maybe then they wouldn't have made social policy in the rest of the United States extremely backwards until the 1960s via senate power. It's not like they wouldn't have been trading partners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    OK, geniuses

    There were 6 people taking part in a vote.

    candidate A got 3 votes;
    candidate B got 1 vote;
    candidate C got 1 vote;
    candidate D got 1 vote.

    Who won?
    Did he win by majority or plurality?
    well 3/6 is exactly 50%... so that's infinitesimally shy of a majority, but it is a plurality win for A.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is your opinion and there are nut cakes on both side of the issue.........If you don't believe me go to a gay pride parade sometime................
    Oh really Navy....when was the last gay pride parade you attended?

    BTW....I'm still waiting for your reply....since you say that people can change their sexual orientation, does that mean that you could just as easily be attracted to men and change your sexual orientation if you decided to do so?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You keep saying that DD and yet when the people vote on it by state have voted 31-0 against Gay Marriage........That has to be very disappointing for you...........Most people are for equal rrights but the answer is not gay marriage......
    Look at the trend.....at first I thought it would take years. Now it is inevitable to happen, even in your lifetime. Be prepared.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Slavery, first off, was made illegal in many of the northern States.
    Yes, but not all at once as some people like to believe:
    Vermont in 1777
    Pennsylvania between 1780-1845
    Massachusetts 1783
    Connecticut between 1784-1848
    Rhode Island between 1784-1842
    New York between 1799-1827
    New Jersey 1804-1865 (New Jersey still had slavery of one form or another during the Civil War)
    In New Hampshire slavery was abolished in 1857, but was out of practice by 1845
    and the District of Columbia allowed slavery til the early 1860s. Just prior to the Civil War.

    You may notice some of these states didn't get rid of slavery until after the Constitution was being drawn up and the Articles of Confederation were being tossed out. However it is important to look at the fact that the Northern states didn't need slavery, the south's economy thrived on it.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You ask the wrong questions.
    So there will be no answers from you. I thought so.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    I think it's you who don't know your history.

    You really buy into this "The North went to war with the South to free the slaves" crap? If that so, why slavery was legal in the North up until the END of the war?

    No, your civil war was about the piss-poor Nothern states denying the rich and abundant in labour Southern states their rights to leave the union. You see, without the South the North was destined to struggle for decades to come, and the North didn't like the prospect.
    So Elena,

    You really want to talk about the US Civil War and it's History then fine let do it. What shall we discuss the reason and cause behind the Civil War or better yet since you brought it up shall we discuss the difference between Northern States and Southern State's and to have fun shall we throw in the Missouri Compromise,Kansas-Nebraska Act and Dred Scott vs. Sanford and the ramification it had on the Civil War and the United State as a whole.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    So there will be no answers from you. I thought so.
    I actually provided the correct answers for you. You just couldn't seem to figure out the questions.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Fifty three percent. Compare that to what would have happened ten years ago and this is good news. Ten years from now, they will no longer have a majority.

    This is only bad news if you believe that it is necessary for gay marriage to be legalized now. No matter how much I would like certain policies to become law, I believe that it is best for social institutions to change slowly, at a pace that the public can easily tolerate. Rapid, unpopular changes lead to public backlash and regression.
    You know I wonder how many people that could vote voted? You know what I am saying. Most of the times, voter turnout for state issues is lower than 30% of the registered voters. I really believe most people don't care about gay marriage, and that most would not be bothered by having gay couples living next door to them.

    So what I am saying is that social institutions are rarely representative of the majority. Because the majority don't care therefore gay marriage should be legal. But the government is full of extremists because that is what the voters vote for.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    HAHAH, no the opposite.
    What declaration by Southern states preceded the war?
    When slavery was abolished in the US?
    When did the war begin, and when did it end?

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