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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    And how would you know what reasonable person would do?

    Likely she's seen a reasonable person in action.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This is what happens when you have mob rule... but at least things are improving. The majority is no longer an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.
    This is what happens when your government doesn't represent its constituents... but at least things are improving. The handful of elected schlem no longer have the power of an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Except for tax credits and other specifically legislated marrietal benefits, what can gay, single, or non-married couples NOT receive through civil contracts that state recognized marriage contracts receive?
    Yup, and not all the contracts are quite presented in the way by which they are in the marriage license. The marriage license automatically covers this instead of the complex nature of multiple contracts and fees associated with filing. If you also compress those contracts into maybe some easy form, it goes further into promoting your argument.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Then you have to divide the vote not on two, but on the number of issues, taking each issue as 100%.
    Do you even understand the words you are putting down? In the example I gave, there was 1 issue, President of the United States of America. We aren't limited to 2 choices, there are often more. If 6% of the people vote for Candidate C for President of the United States of America, they have still voted on that single issue of Presidential vote. 1 position, 1 issue. You're merely incoherently rambling at this point.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

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    This is what happens when your government doesn't represent its constituents... but at least things are improving. The handful of elected schlem no longer have the power of an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.
    We are a republic, not a democracy. Representatives are not required to legislate based on their constituients opinions, otherwise we would just be a democracy, not a republic.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    It seems to me that the demographic that generally represents themselves as “liberal” claim that government controlled health care should happen because polls show a majority of the people want it, but when a majority of voters vote down gay marriage, it’s about individual rights?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    In that case we're all bisexual. We might not be able to consciously control our preferences, but barring medical or psychological condition we are all capable of arousal and sexual performance with members of the same sex. Hell, we're capable of these things with "partners" that are far less compatible than that.
    My hypothesis is that there is a spectrum. On one side you have people completely incapable of being sexually aroused by the same sex, such as myself, and on the other side you have people completely incapable of being aroused by the opposite sex. Most people are somewhere between and effectively bisexual, but few people are precisely in the middle, where homo or heterosexuality would be a true, ceteris paribus sort of choice. Most people claim to be at the poles, but I am confident that I am not in denial because I passed a lie detector asking me if I had ever had sexual thoughts about people of the same sex (was accused of something but innocent, obviously), much to the surprise of the operator, who says the vast majority of people who he has interviewed do not admit to having gay thoughts but the test indicates they lied about it. Oh also I have no motive for being in denial as I obviously have no problem with gayness. If you study anthropology/sociology, the history of sexuality certainly suggests a spectrum as I describe.

    How do you think the majority of homosexual parents acquire babies to raise? Adoption and reproductive technology are far more expensive and difficult than natural procreation, regardless of how "unnatural" natural procreation comes to the participants.
    Well there is quite a bit of pressure to try not to be gay if you're raised in a religious family. Had a friend who killed himself over this as his father was a local religious leader. There are gay people who simply choose an asexual lifestyle, by becoming priests or just living alone with cats or dogs. It's relatively "easy" for lesbians to have sex with somebody they're not attracted to, as they don't need an erection and active participation is optional. For guys it'd be a lot harder. Maybe they pretend their partner is somebody else, or are bisexual? (:

    True. But the "ridiculous" argument in question is that homosexuals are not prohibited from marrying in general-- only members of the same sex. It is only one item on a fairly long list of legal requirements for marriage, and I simply don't see any grounds upon which it can be claimed that this requirement is more a "violation" of our "marriage rights" than any of the others. They are all related in one fashion or another to the form and function of marriage in our society and what we consider to be acceptable unions.

    It isn't an assumption. It is a reasoned position on my part. I believe that marriage is meant to fulfill certain societal functions and thus that it is reasonable for marriage to be limited to those unions which either serve those functions or at the least do not undermine them. I do not support all of the current restrictions on marriage, but I would rather support all of them collectively than none of them. At this time, I am only willing to advocate for the lifting of one of these restrictions, that being the restriction that potential spouses must be of the opposite sex.
    Hm, not really. It was more a matter of being against Mormons (polygamy), or preventing the birth of children with terrible diseases. But if marriage were really about producing healthy children, then fertility and financial security would be required for marriage. Marriage is treated as a contract between individuals moreso than an institution, with a few bigotry-inspired quirks here and there.

    I believe that marriage serves roughly two functions, and that all of the benefits of marriage and all of the restrictions ought to revolve around these two functions. Remember, the State extends benefits and provides legal services for marriage that cost us money, so marriage itself must be justified.

    These two functions are:
    1) reinforce the ideal home environment for children, which includes (at least) two parents among other things
    2) provide the basis for natural alliances between families
    Natural alliances, lol... yeah people looove their step families. That's actually a new one to me, at least in a modern context. It makes sense if you're in a tribal society or trying to unite kingdoms. But the meaning of marriage has certainly changed and become more plural, which is for the better because we're not all looking for the same thing and we don't live in a feudal society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    And plurality is a number that exceeds the remaining number.

    Would you call 3 out of 5 a majority or plurality?
    It is both.

    Now suppose you have options Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow, 10 voters with a 50% turnout. If 2 vote for Red, and the other colors each receive 1 vote (out of 5 votes), then Red has a plurality, but not a majority. A majority did not vote for red, they voted for the other colors, but Red wins a plurality because it got twice as many votes as any of the other colors... The fact that persons 5-10 did not vote has no bearing on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Completely different issue............no comparison and you know it..........
    Anti-miscegenation is a much closer example, as it, too was against people with "deviant" sexual preferences (for the other race), rather than against a race as a whole.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup,
    errr... I didn't ask a "yes" or "no" question.

    and not all the contracts are quite presented in the way by which they are in the marriage license.
    so? How does that infringe on non-married people?

    The marriage license automatically covers this instead of the complex nature of multiple contracts and fees associated with filing. If you also compress those contracts into maybe some easy form, it goes further into promoting your argument.
    Please indicate where in the constitution or its interpretation that granting expediency of PRIVATE CIVIL contracts is a government obligation or a right of citizens..
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Apparently, gays try to 'rub' their gayness in her face.
    Such comments are generally a statement of unfulfilled longing.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    It seems to me that the demographic that generally represents themselves as “liberal” claim that government controlled health care should happen because polls show a majority of the people want it, but when a majority of voters vote down gay marriage, it’s about individual rights?
    Damn those evil libruls.

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