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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

disneydude said:
Would you be ok with a law that said inter-racial couples can no longer marry. The can only civilly unionize?
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A ridicules red herring does not an argument make.

Apples and Oranges, does not apply.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Lesbians can...artificially. And there's nothing from stopping two dudes from 'attempting' lol
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LOL.

RRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Turkey basters do not count.

On an aside... when I was about 20 I was sitting watching TV with my Pop, and there was a program that included artificial insemination of cows (they use long really thin tubing) ... I said... Dad... that cow is surely thinking something is wrong. He howled, was laughing so hard he started crying.


Disney, go back and read the post you quoted. It was worded with your bean in mind.

PS. It ends your little charade.
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EpicDude86 said:
Lesbians can...artificially. And there's nothing from stopping two dudes from 'attempting' lol
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OK I feel I am done here as this made me spit coke on my keyboard I laughed so hard. :2wave:
 
Blackdog said:
No they are not. I said they can have civil unions or whatever you want to call it. My argument is purely religious and based in semantics. So not even remotely the same.
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At least you're honest, but must you constantly poke holes in your own boat?
 
zimmer said:
LOL.

RRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Turkey basters do not count.

On an aside... when I was about 20 I was sitting watching TV with my Pop, and there was a program that included artificial insemination of cows (they use long really thin tubing) ... I said... Dad... that cow is surely thinking something is wrong. He howled, was laughing so hard he started crying.


Disney, go back and read the post you quoted. It was worded with your bean in mind.

PS. It ends your little charade.
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Obviously not. What are you referring to? Your incest examples?
Sorry....but the state has a much higher interest in denying marriage based on incest that they do based on sexual orientation.
 
EpicDude86 said:
At least you're honest, but must you constantly poke holes in your own boat?
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I actually appreciated that honesty. There are certain people (who will remain nameless) that base their views of religious and semantic reasons but yet continually deny it saying "I've given the reasons for my belief over and over".....
 
zimmer said:
LOL.

RRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Turkey basters do not count.

On an aside... when I was about 20 I was sitting watching TV with my Pop, and there was a program that included artificial insemination of cows (they use long really thin tubing) ... I said... Dad... that cow is surely thinking something is wrong. He howled, was laughing so hard he started crying.


Disney, go back and read the post you quoted. It was worded with your bean in mind.

PS. It ends your little charade.
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OH WOW! LMFAO Thanks for the image of Cows getting...knocked up.
 
EpicDude86 said:
At least you're honest, but must you constantly poke holes in your own boat?
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How am I poking holes?? It is a sin, so I will not support it.

Please point out the holes?
 
Blackdog said:
How am I poking holes?? It is a sin, so I will not support it.

Please point out the holes?
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Declaring your staunch religious position is great if you're debating with other religious folk, but part of their debate is to prove your religion is getting in the way of logic...basically what you're doing for them. Just saying, you should try and counter what they are saying rather than remind them of what a good Christian you are, unless you like perpetuating this debate, then by all means...continue.

Not downing you, just saying it's not the best tactic for this particular venue.
 
Again...I appreciate his honesty. There really is no legitimate argument that can be made against gay marriage that is not based in religion. Certainly people are entitled to their religious beliefs.
 
disneydude said:
Again...I appreciate his honesty. There really is no legitimate argument that can be made against gay marriage that is not based in religion. Certainly people are entitled to their religious beliefs.
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There are legitimate reasons based on Religion, Most moral issue is taken from the Religious side of the debate.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Declaring your staunch religious position is great if you're debating with other religious folk, but part of their debate is to prove your religion is getting in the way of logic...basically what you're doing for them.
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Irrelevant. If they base their morals on something else that is fine. My are because of my religion. So the argument they try to present has no value from a moral standpoint. It basically is saying they have better morals than I do because they come form some place else. Simply put, they disqualify their own argument.

So no holes here.

EpicDude86 said:
Just saying, you should try and counter what they are saying rather than remind them of what a good Christian you are, unless you like perpetuating this debate, then by all means...continue.
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This debate has nothing to do with logic so how is that a counter? That would be what we call a cop out where I come form.

Again no holes here.

EpicDude86 said:
Not downing you, just saying it's not the best tactic for this particular venue.
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Because I am not afraid to debate the merits of my argument it's not a good tactic? I mean lets face it, I constantly ask if the argument is not about benefits then it must be morals. That does fall into the realm or where do your morals come from.

Again no holes here.
 
disneydude said:
Again...I appreciate his honesty. There really is no legitimate argument that can be made against gay marriage that is not based in religion. Certainly people are entitled to their religious beliefs.
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It is legitimate. Because my morals come from other than where yours do I am somehow wrong? :lol:

Their are plenty of people who are not religious who have valid arguments.
 
Blackdog said:
Irrelevant. If they base their morals on something else that is fine. My are because of my religion. So the argument they try to present has no value from a moral standpoint. It basically is saying they have better morals than I do because they come form some place else. Simply put, they disqualify their own argument.

So no holes here.



This debate has nothing to do with logic so how is that a counter? That would be what we call a cop out where I come form.

Again no holes here.



Because I am not afraid to debate the merits of my argument it's not a good tactic? I mean lets face it, I constantly ask if the argument is not about benefits then it must be morals. That does fall into the realm or where do your morals come from.

Again no holes here.
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Your tenacity and unwavering faith are both your bulwark and your debility.
 
EpicDude86 said:
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Your tenacity and unwavering faith are both your bulwark and your debility.
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How is it a debility?

PM me, don't want to derail the thread.
 
Blackdog said:
It is legitimate. Because my morals come from other than where yours do I am somehow wrong? :lol:

Their are plenty of people who are not religious who have valid arguments.
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I didn't say your arguments were not legitimate. Quite the opposite. I said that there are no legitimate arguments against gay marriage that are not based on religion. I think that people who are against gay marriage for religious reason have plenty of legitimate reasons that fit within their own religious and moral views.
I haven't seen a single legitimate argument, however, that is not based on religion.
 
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winston53660 said:
and these arguments are?
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GOD EXISTS! YOU SHUT THE **** UP!

for starters.




:rofl


But srsly. Usually Religious folk are on the "right" side of morality debates, since Religion and Morality often (not always) go hand in hand...even if only in theory, not practice.


(I hope I haven't left myself open for attack from someone who intends to tear this post apart, as if by destroying my argument they are one step closer to ridding the world of Ignorance or destroying the notion that there is a God.)
 
EpicDude86 said:
GOD EXISTS! YOU SHUT THE **** UP!

for starters.




:rofl


But srsly. Usually Religious folk are on the "right" side of morality debates, since Religion and Morality often (not always) go hand in hand...even if only in theory, not practice.


(I hope I haven't left myself open for attack from someone who intends to tear this post apart, as if by destroying my argument they are one step closer to ridding the world of Ignorance or destroying the notion that there is a God.)
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Your arguments suck and you suck!!!!

How that for tearing it up? ;)
 
disneydude said:
I didn't say your arguments were not legitimate. Quite the opposite. I said that there are no legitimate arguments against gay marriage that are not based on religion. I think that people who are against gay marriage for religious reason have plenty of legitimate reasons that fit within their own religious and moral views.
I haven't seen a single legitimate argument, however, that is not based on religion.
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OK I see, and stand corrected.

Never thought I would see the day I would be thanking Disnydude.

The end times must be near, or hell has froze over! ;)
 
Blackdog said:
Your arguments suck and you suck!!!!

How that for tearing it up? ;)
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Yeah...well....


**** your argument, AND the metaphorical horse it rode in on.

And with that I'd like to yield the rest of my time to my opponent, in the interest of fairness.
 
winston53660 said:
and these arguments are?
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It's this easy:

"We cannot find that a right to same-sex marriage is so deeply rooted in the tradition, history and conscience of the people of this state that it ranks as a fundamental right".
~Justice Barry T. Albin, NJ Supreme Court, February 2006.

See? No religion required.
 
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disneydude said:
In 1995, support for gay marriage exceeded 30% in only six states: New York, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, California, and Vermont. In these states, support for gay marriage has increased by an average of almost 20 percentage points

Support up 20% points in a decade. Looks like your dream discrimination is going to end sooner than even most people expected.
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Honestly, disney, why do you give Navy Pride any attention? When was the last time you saw him post something thoughtful on this subject matter? You can become ungay? Come on, disney. You can spend your time here better. Just saying.
 
Blackdog said:
I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side are willing to admit.
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And this is supposed to change people's minds? Give me a break. Way back when, when interracial marriage was not accepted, would you have been okay with being told, "If you want to permanently commit to someone other than a black woman, you won't be able to get married." I"m sure that would have been fine with you.

I don't understand this ridiculousness of, "I don't want marriage to be anything but a man marrying a woman." Why? Why is that? Because somehow it degrades marriage? Nah. Our 50% divorce rate degrades it enough.
 
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