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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Not according to polygamists and what other government contract can't I enter into with my sister?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Not according to polygamists and what other government contract can't I enter into with my sister?
    Because what you are failing to take into consideration is that different classifications undergo different analysis when the Supreme Court addresses equal protection issues.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    31 ststes have voted on the issue and 31 states said no, most by huge majorities...........This country is not for gay marriage and I don't believe it ever will be...............
    But you might notice the majorities have been getting smaller over time. You also might want to look at what younger people think of gay marriage. It's not a matter of if but when.

    a minority is Blacks, gays are a class of people defined by their sexual preference.......You can't stop being black....you can stop being gay...........
    If you're referring to anti-miscegenation, that actually wasn't discriminating against Blacks per se, but rather people who want to marry another race, whether they be Black or White. It is a matter of who they're attracted to being not who they're supposed to be attracted to or get married to per society's norms. Gay marriage is the same kind of issue.

    As far as stop being gay, that would only be true if they were bisexual to begin with. Personally I could not choose to be aroused by another male. If you feel you can sexually choose men or women, then you are bisexual.

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    At the time fully 70% of the populace nationwide wanted to keep those laws on the books. Ill link the gallup poll later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Two consenting adults that fall within accepted parameters of relationship by blood or marriage-- said parameters varying by state-- and who are both legal permanent residents of the United States, who are not currently married to other people regardless of the consent of all parties involved. Some States have residency requirements for one or both of the spouses-to-be. Some States have age requirements other than "adult," ranging if I recall correctly from 12 (with parental permission) to 19.

    So no, just because someone is heterosexual does not mean that they can just marry whomever they wish. There are numerous legal requirements that must be met aside from the intended spouses being of the opposite sex, and if marriage is a human right than any couple-- not just homosexual couples-- that do not meet each and every one of those specific legal requirements that vary by State is being denied their right to marriage.

    Marriage is not a right. It is a set of legal privileges offered by the State for qualifying participants.
    Actually I don't think anybody is prohibited from marrying in general, except those incompetent to consent to contracts in general. What I really can't figure out is why you assume having these parameters is reasonable. Heterosexual couples simply have fewer restrictions, but that doesn't mean some of those restrictions aren't also arbitrary and unfair. Where we do restrict marriage, it is meant to protect society, though you pointed out before that the law is inconsistent on this... surprise surprise.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    However, since it takes the form of contract, and the individual has the right to contract, it becomes more than privilege granted by the State.
    Since the contract specifies behaviors of the State, the State is a signatory to that contract and thus has the same right not to contract with couples whose marriages it disapproves of.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    I don't think the major issue here is whether they can get married or not (Marriage was in fact a construct of the State waaay back in the day anyways), it's really that they want the benefits offered to those who do get married. So why don't we just require civil unions and marriages to receive the same benefits from insurance and businesses and call it a day.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I don't think the major issue here is whether they can get married or not (Marriage was in fact a construct of the State waaay back in the day anyways), it's really that they want the benefits offered to those who do get married. So why don't we just require civil unions and marriages to receive the same benefits from insurance and businesses and call it a day.
    The concern there would be that it is akin to "separate but equal" policies, which were actually separate but unequal. I am really not sure why some people think the word marriage is degraded by homosexuals using it. I mean, people who marry for lust or money use it so what's the difference if another person you consider sinful uses it? Does that make your own marriage meaningless, or are marriages actually defined as separate contracts, not as an overall institution?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    The concern there would be that it is akin to "separate but equal" policies, which were actually separate but unequal. I am really not sure why some people think the word marriage is degraded by homosexuals using it. I mean, people who marry for lust or money use it so what's the difference if another person you consider sinful uses it? Does that make your own marriage meaningless, or are marriages actually defined as separate contracts, not as an overall institution?
    I just figured we'd satisfy both sides of the argument and meet in the middle. there is a middle ground, it's just both sides are too pigheaded and arrogant to accept it. Eh.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is really a world wide thing, NOT just our nation.
    In truth, we may have more rights for the homosexual than must, if not all...
    Not that we are the most advanced nation....we are not...I think...
    We are neither the best, nor the worst. Trust me, it's far better to be a gay man in Alabama than a gay man in Iran.

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