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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    It's not necessarly bigotry. We do not have a large G/L population here. Mostly people are here to either raise families or retire. Traditional marriage is a cornerstone of this state.

    I'm not saying I agree with the repeal. I'm saying you have to consider the population.
    It would still be bigotry if there were zero gays in the state, much like laws against anti-miscegenation would still be bigotry even if zero blacks wanted to marry zero whites.

    Appeal to tradition is fallacy. Tradition has no logical value in itself. The majority does not have the right to deny the rights (or arbitrarily deny the privileges) of a minority, even if it were a hypothetical minority, though in this case it is not.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    It seems extremely obvious to me that society has no real reason to deny gay marriage, certainly there is even less ground to argue against gay marriage than there was against miscegenation, as no kids can be directly produced.
    The fact that no children can be directly produce is itself one possible argument why the State shouldn't recognize such unions. They would be subsidizing through tax incentives relationships which do not serve at least one of the functions for which marriages are subsidized.

    On the other side of the coin, just because the children are not produced within the marriage does not mean that they are not raised within the marriage, and that is by far the most important part of the process. Now, science may tell us that children raised by homosexuals do just as well as children raised by their heterosexual counterparts, but if someone rejected those findings or wanted to hold out for further study, such would also (somewhat paradoxically) present legitimate cause to deny homosexual marriage.

    I actually have no problem with allowing blood siblings to marry as long as they have no affinity-- they were raised as unrelated by different families-- because the risk for birth defects in sibling pairings is no higher than that caused by the mother being over the age of forty at birth. On the other hand, I don't think first or second cousins by affinity should be allowed to marry regardless of their relatively safe degree of consanguinity because marriage is, among other things, the establishment of affinity between two separate families.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think Koymir made an excellent point. 48% of Maine's citizens support gay marriage. That is not too far from the percentages of people who initially supported women voting or blacks having equal rights. If anything it's a step forward and should be taken as a sign of a dying majority. I say we give it 5-10 years tops before Northern states start legalizing gay marriage.
    Nope it won't happen I take it you don't understand us Mainers get out of Portland and Lewiston-Auburn and your dealing with allot of Indep. and rep. look outside of the few folks from maine who have posted onhere most of you have no understanding the dynamics of us Mainers..

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Nope it won't happen I take it you don't understand us Mainers get out of Portland and Lewiston-Auburn and your dealing with allot of Indep. and rep. look outside of the few folks from maine who have posted onhere most of you have no understanding the dynamics of us Mainers..
    Yes. It won't happen. I remember George Wallace saying something along those lines a few decades ago. Look at what happened to that. The difference between you and I is that I see 48% as a good thing. You only see your slim win as something to brag about because you live there. Remember. A majority is only a majority for so long.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    It would still be bigotry if there were zero gays in the state, much like laws against anti-miscegenation would still be bigotry even if zero blacks wanted to marry zero whites.

    Appeal to tradition is fallacy. Tradition has no logical value in itself. The majority does not have the right to deny the rights (or arbitrarily deny the privileges) of a minority, even if it were a hypothetical minority, though in this case it is not.
    No it's not you have no idea what your talking abouit.

    So folks here you go please show me where in the U Const. or Bil of Rights or any US Code that say anyone has the right to be married to who every they want to. I'll be waiting for this.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes. It won't happen. I remember George Wallace saying something along those lines a few decades ago. Look at what happened to that.
    It won't happen as I siad you don't understand maine as a Population the State is getting Older with allot of folks under 35 moving out beause of many different reason. With-in the next five to ten years maine is going ot be on eof th eOldest population in the USA. But once again you all know more about Maine then I and athe other Mainers who have posted in this thread.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Oh gosh. I am heartbroken and pissed about this. I really hoped this would not be repealed.
    I voted Yes and proud that I did vote yes. Nothing like special rights for folks.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So folks here you go please show me where in the U Const. or Bil of Rights or any US Code that say anyone has the right to be married to who every they want to. I'll be waiting for this.

    The only way I could see it being a right would be under Freedom of Association.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course it is. Do you read and comprehend things which are put down on this site. The question was difference between majority and plurality. Plurality does not necessarily mean majority.
    Thank you! So 49 is still a majority compare to 45.

    Btw, politicaly perverted word "plurality" on close inspection means same "majority".

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    "straights" need to just knock it off and allow gays to be officially connected.
    "gays" need to stop being such drama queens and accept the damn civil union
    "insurance companies" need to stop being dicks and accept civil unions, too.

    it's ridiculous that we have to waste time passing and repealing legislation that clearly infringes upon the Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness that TAXPAYERS are entitled too, no matter what they do with their johnson or hoo-ha.

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