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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    That's fine, just saying they do have a moral, logical and legal basis without having to claim marriage is a right - even though yours is a semantics argument because it indirectly becomes a right due to the need for equal protection with respect to the law.
    Equal protection applies to rights -and- privileges, necessarily indicating a recognition that rights and privileges are distinct and seperate classifications.

    People have the right to be treated equally under the law, marriage is under the domain of the law, therefore marriage is a right.
    Non-sequitur -- see above.
    Equal protection, not marrige, is the right in question here.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I think question 1 tells us that Maine does not lean socially liberal.

    They say there are 2 Maines: Greater Portland and the rest. I agree with that, but I actually think there are a lot more.
    I think they are more libertarian to be honest, but was just kind of going for the easy explanation. My whole thing is the responses from our Mainers here kind of remind me of what I would do if something of this magnitude was just thrown into my lap. Whether or not I agree with gay marriage(I do, as long as the church is given the option to perform said ceremony, as with any individual couple) I would have voted no if I was caught unprepared intentionally as well, I'm kind of a rebel like that.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I just dont get it to be honest.

    On one hand the US prides it self on freedom, liberty, equal rights and so on, and with the other hand it denies the very same thing to a minority of its population...

    I guess soon we will see segregation laws proposed again in some states..
    What history book have you been reading?

    US freedom has only expanded with the use of force or by congressional or presidential decree.

    Very rarely do our citizens vote in equality unless it benefits them directly.

    Examples: slavery, racial discrimination, womans suffrage.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think they are more libertarian to be honest, but was just kind of going for the easy explanation. My whole thing is the responses from our Mainers here kind of remind me of what I would do if something of this magnitude was just thrown into my lap. Whether or not I agree with gay marriage(I do, as long as the church is given the option to perform said ceremony, as with any individual couple) I would have voted no if I was caught unprepared intentionally as well, I'm kind of a rebel like that.
    We are a strange population here. There are country people and city people. There are ocean people, and there are lake people. There are the extremely rich in the gated, ocean side communities, and there are the lobstermen in the deep water ocean communities. Then there are the true artists and nature lovers, but there are the artists and nature lovers who destroy the environment. You could live in 20 different towns in this state, and you will have 20 completely different Maine experiences. We can't agree on anything.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    1. Ill wait fot the SCOTUS to rule.

    2. NP said sue the goverment and I pointed out people had and won.
    SCOTUS hasn't ruled yet though. And people have not sued the government and won over same sex marriage have they?

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    Yes. That is a valid statement. According to that court.
    Since that's the only court to rule on same sex marriage, it's all we have to go on for now isn't it?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I think question 1 tells us that Maine does not lean socially liberal.

    They say there are 2 Maines: Greater Portland and the rest. I agree with that, but I actually think there are a lot more.


    Nate Silver points out the Portland/rest of the state divide, too:

    Maine -- Question 1. Maine votes Yes on Question 1 -- which means no on gay marriage -- by a margin of about 52-48. Turnout was extremely high and should eventually surpass 500,000 voters, about where it was during the 2006 midterms. This fact was initially thought to favor the pro-gay marriage side -- but, obviously, it didn't. The results showed a very strong urban-rural divide, with the initiative being rejected by a margin of about 2:1 in Portland but racking up big margins in smaller towns and rural areas, especially in the north of the state.

    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: What Happened and Why?
    How many Maines are there? Seems like there's the NH conclave west of Sanford, etc, little Mass down in York, Ogunquit, 'the County' (hi Tumbles! ), Downeast (hi Cassandra! ), not sure what else?

    Biddeford, L/A, seem different. Western, but not Southern, Maine seems different. Bath/Brunswick ...



    edit: never mind! You just answered it a couple posts above ...

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    We are a strange population here. There are country people and city people. There are ocean people, and there are lake people. There are the extremely rich in the gated, ocean side communities, and there are the lobstermen in the deep water ocean communities. Then there are the true artists and nature lovers, but there are the artists and nature lovers who destroy the environment. You could live in 20 different towns in this state, and you will have 20 completely different Maine experiences. We can't agree on anything.
    Sounds like Louisiana!
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    I keep trying to thank you Jack, but the button keeps disapearing. Don't forget the devil worshippers in Shapleigh!
    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    I keep trying to thank you Jack, but the button keeps disapearing. Don't forget the devil worshippers in Shapleigh!

    Really!? needa google....

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    I think Koymir made an excellent point. 48% of Maine's citizens support gay marriage. That is not too far from the percentages of people who initially supported women voting or blacks having equal rights. If anything it's a step forward and should be taken as a sign of a dying majority. I say we give it 5-10 years tops before Northern states start legalizing gay marriage.
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