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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah! You have yet -another- chance to counter this argument:

    Marriage is a legal status created by the state, and, as such, is necessarily a privilege conferred by the state, not a right.

    Dont worry -- I have no doubt that you will continue to dodge this argument.
    In reality it's a matter of equal protection under the law. Because marriage is in the domain of the law, people must be treated equally with respect to it with the exception of overriding societal interests. I guess that's where it gets sticky. It seems extremely obvious to me that society has no real reason to deny gay marriage, certainly there is even less ground to argue against gay marriage than there was against miscegenation, as no kids can be directly produced.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by tumbleweed View Post
    If the issue of allowing same sex marriage would have been presented to Maine voters in the form of a referendum question on a ballot before it was forced on Mainers from the legislature I believe the outcome would have been different.

    I don't oppose gay marriage. What I was opposed to was legislation coming from lawmakers telling us once again that they are hell-bent on passing laws in Maine without voters being included in the decision making process.
    I think you are right, Maine is one of the more transparent states out there and the voters seem to want the whole truth and a little respect, certain locales are like that and tricky when certain items come up, so I suspect that is the case here, as Maine seems to lean socially liberal.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by StandUpChuck View Post
    FWIW I just heard anywhere from 53-60% of registered voters turned out in Maine yesterday. No doubt this issue brought them.

    Huge turnout for an off-year election. I'm not happy about the results of question #1, but the turnout makes me proud.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    In reality it's a matter of equal protection under the law. Because marriage is in the domain of the law, people must be treated equally with respect to it with the exception of overriding societal interests.
    Sure.
    The issue I took was his claim that marriage is a right.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Huge turnout for an off-year election. I'm not happy about the results of question #1, but the turnout makes me proud.
    Bigotry brings votes. Yeah that's awesome.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Bigotry brings votes. Yeah that's awesome.

    The turnout is awesome, I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the highest in the country. Bigotry isn't, of course.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think you are right, Maine is one of the more transparent states out there and the voters seem to want the whole truth and a little respect, certain locales are like that and tricky when certain items come up, so I suspect that is the case here, as Maine seems to lean socially liberal.
    I think question 1 tells us that Maine does not lean socially liberal.

    They say there are 2 Maines: Greater Portland and the rest. I agree with that, but I actually think there are a lot more.
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    You guys are weird.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sure.
    The issue I took was his claim that marriage is a right.
    That's fine, just saying they do have a moral, logical and legal basis without having to claim marriage is a right - even though yours is a semantics argument because it indirectly becomes a right due to the need for equal protection with respect to the law. People have the right to be treated equally under the law, marriage is under the domain of the law, therefore marriage is a right. But I guess it depends on how restrictive you want to be with the term "right."

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah! You have yet -another- chance to counter this argument:

    Marriage is a legal status created by the state, and, as such, is necessarily a privilege conferred by the state, not a right.

    Dont worry -- I have no doubt that you will continue to dodge this argument.
    Fine take it up with SCOTUS and get Loving vs Virginia overturned.....YAWN

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited View Post
    Bigotry brings votes. Yeah that's awesome.
    It's not necessarly bigotry. We do not have a large G/L population here. Mostly people are here to either raise families or retire. Traditional marriage is a cornerstone of this state.

    I'm not saying I agree with the repeal. I'm saying you have to consider the population.
    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    You guys are weird.

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