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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    I belive I already answered that. If they do not represent the majority of the society of your country, the society has the right to decide what to do about them. What is your point?
    You're mistaken. We don't have a pure democracy here. We don't rule by majority. We have a constitutional republic, which means that the rights of the minority, even hate-mongering Islamic creeps, are protected. That makes us different from those who rule by mob.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    In other words, those that support same sex marriage are actually in the minority, on the fringe, and happen to be the ones who actually fixate on anuses.
    Forty-seven percent may be a minority, but it is far from a "fringe" and it isn't the people who support gay marriage-- the vast majority being heterosexual-- who are making utterly irrelevant, distasteful and frankly moronic arguments concerning other peoples' sexual organs and practices. They are not the ones who don't seem to understand that marriage is a matter of family law that has very little to do with sex.

    No, they're the ones who think it has something to do with equality, which is an entirely separate and irritating argument in its own right.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Marriage is not now and has never been a "basic human right" and Loving v. Virginia did not make it so. It ruled, very specifically, that marriage could not be denied to otherwise legal applicants on the basis of race.


    Because the court concluded that marriage is a basic human right. That was the entire foundation of the "Loving" decision.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Which is to say, believing that only heterosexuals are fit to raise children and that only heterosexuals deserve to be able to legally designate their next of kin. That sounds very suspiciously like having a serious dislike of people who are not heterosexuals, especially when all available scientific evidence contradicts the first point.
    So those who disprove of polygamous marriages dislike traditional Mormons or any other group of people who engage in polygamous marriages? I seriously doubt most of the 47% of voters in Maine would vote to legalize polygamist marriages.Someone disapproves of single people being able to adopt kids so that must mean they hate single people or someone disapproves on non-seniors getting a seniors discount then that person must dislike people under 60?
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I just dont get it to be honest.

    On one hand the US prides it self on freedom, liberty, equal rights and so on, and with the other hand it denies the very same thing to a minority of its population...

    I guess soon we will see segregation laws proposed again in some states..
    Soon??

    They're called domestic partnership laws. Separate but (not really) equal.

    I am more optimistic than most about the CA case working it's way through the federal courts. I think it was Scalia who acknowledged that same-sex marriage and gay rights would have strong case if it were an equal protection issue.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    That is the problem. "An ancient institution" needs not to be changed at all. Churches and preachers can deny marrying gay people all they want, as it is a religious thing. If the gays want to get married in a church.. start your own church or find a preacher/church that is open to such things!

    Now the legal aspect of marriage is not a religious thing. This has to do with taxes, inheritance and so on and that is all civilian law... heck even marriage is that these days too.. you need a licence for example and can skip the whole church thing if you want.

    But the debate in the US (like it was in Europe) has been hijacked by especially the radical religious right and together with the radical gay movement, it has turned into something that it, it is in reality not.
    exactly. thanks.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    So, in your opinion its the people who exist to service a state: government institutions and officials (government, courts, police, army) who should empose their will on the said public by means of laws that do not represent the interests of the majority of the society? Is that so? Is that what America is about? Where is democracy coming into play?
    Like I said Elena....you need to take some basic American Civics lessons.
    The United States is not a pure democracy. If so, everything would be put to a simple majority vote. The foundation of our government, specifically the Constitution is that there are core aspects of our society that should not be put to a simple majority vote. The Constitution exists to protect the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority, which is why a Constitutional amendment requires a 2/3's vote.
    Sadly, many states lag behind and allow basic human rights to be put to a simple majority vote. That is very sad to see in America today.
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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So those who disprove of polygamous marriages dislike traditional Mormons or any other group of people who engage in polygamous marriages?
    Prohibiting polygamy does not prevent Mormons from marrying, nor does it deny their children the social and economic benefits of being raised within a household that is secured by the bonds of matrimony. And, as much as I personally support polygamy, the arguments against it are more sound than the arguments against gay marriage and there is no scientific evidence to contradict them.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Someone disapproves of single people being able to adopt kids so that must mean they hate single people...
    One of the primary purposes of marriage is to facilitate raising children. Denying adoption to people who are not legally married makes sense and is supported by scientific evidence that demonstrates that children raised in single parent households are at a distinct disadvantage compared to children raised by married couples, and it does not prevent those single people from getting married and adopting children later when they are married.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    ... or someone disapproves on non-seniors getting a seniors discount then that person must dislike people under 60?
    The fact that you would even compare the institution of marriage to something as trivial as a senior citizens' discount suggests to me that you do not take the institution seriously enough for your opinion on it to be worthy of consideration. That's almost as bad as all the libertarians whose "solution" to the argument is to abolish legal marriage and the entire canon of law pertaining to it entirely.

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because the court concluded that marriage is a basic human right. That was the entire foundation of the "Loving" decision.
    You ignored the rest of my post.

    Can you please explain how marriage can be a "basic human right" when it is routinely denied on all of the grounds I listed in the post you are replying to?

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    Re: Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because the court concluded that marriage is a basic human right. That was the entire foundation of the "Loving" decision.
    Already been addressed:

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