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Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

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Nah.....like I said, the Democrats do not put as much emphasis on talk radio and television news that the Republicans do. All you have to do is look at media demographics to recognize that.


Then why do all of you sound like you are copy and pasting talking points vomited out by them on a daily basis?


j-mac
 
Influence? Well that is a much more complicated venture that I suspect deserves its own thread in the partisan section.


j-mac

Why?.....this thread is essentially about WHO controls the GOP. There was certainly a movement from the conservative right that was directly repudiated by this election. Who does the GOP look to now to lead them into 2010?
 
Then why do all of you sound like you are copy and pasting talking points vomited out by them on a daily basis?


j-mac

Care to give an example? I've never seen any of those you mentioned except I have watched a couple youtube clips of Olberman that people have posted.
I watch very little TV....and I never listen to talk radio.
 
Why?.....this thread is essentially about WHO controls the GOP. There was certainly a movement from the conservative right that was directly repudiated by this election. Who does the GOP look to now to lead them into 2010?


So, then just so I know for sure....you think that one loss signifies devastation?



j-mac
 
So, then just so I know for sure....you think that one loss signifies devastation?



j-mac

Devastation? No. I think it says a lot about the influence and power that moderates and independents have.
Don't get me wrong....I don't much care for moderates or independents, but I recognize that politically, they hold most of the power.

It was a huge defeat for those on the far-right that are trying to get the GOP to adopt the shun the moderates and shift to the conservative right strategy. The fact that that strategy was defeated in a district that was so strongly conservative and GOP does not bring much hope to those who want to spread the strategy to the nation as a whole. In many ways D-23 was a test case and it failed miserably for conservatives.
 
Devastation? No. I think it says a lot about the influence and power that moderates and independents have.
Don't get me wrong....I don't much care for moderates or independents, but I recognize that politically, they hold most of the power.


Not much to argue with there. The Indy's certainly showed Corzine who's boss didn't they?


It was a huge defeat for those on the far-right that are trying to get the GOP to adopt the shun the moderates and shift to the conservative right strategy. The fact that that strategy was defeated in a district that was so strongly conservative and GOP does not bring much hope to those who want to spread the strategy to the nation as a whole. In many ways D-23 was a test case and it failed miserably for conservatives.


A defeat? Yes it was. "A huge" one? Well, no so much....See, Hoffman came into the race late, was hugely outspent, and was for much of the time up against two liberals in the race. That he got as far as he did I think proves the lesson that the country is getting fed up with being told to go along, or if not being told that they are just too stupid to understand what is taking place right now. If you want to make hay, and put all your eggs in that one small basket, you are welcome to, but just a word of advice, this may come back to haunt you.


j-mac
 
Not much to argue with there. The Indy's certainly showed Corzine who's boss didn't they?





A defeat? Yes it was. "A huge" one? Well, no so much....See, Hoffman came into the race late, was hugely outspent, and was for much of the time up against two liberals in the race. That he got as far as he did I think proves the lesson that the country is getting fed up with being told to go along, or if not being told that they are just too stupid to understand what is taking place right now. If you want to make hay, and put all your eggs in that one small basket, you are welcome to, but just a word of advice, this may come back to haunt you.


j-mac

How could a "liberal" win in a district that even a moderate Democrat couldn't come within less than 35 points of the Republican for the last two decades?

Dude....you are in serious denial here.
 
1. "ny23" and "huge" in the same sentence---LOL!

2. the gop has no prominent leader today, doesn't need one

3. just about the only folks who ever mention rush and beck, et al, are libs, just read this thread

4. independents broke two to one red in nj, one of the bluest states in the union, and va, perhaps the most bellwether of bailiwicks
 
The whooptiddoo that libs are making out of a NY race, geez I didn't think we had a seat up there. WTBFD about NY, it's liberal heaven. We just got two governorships. That's two more states that won't impliment socialism from Washington.
 
Nah.....like I said, the Democrats do not put as much emphasis on talk radio and television news that the Republicans do. All you have to do is look at media demographics to recognize that.




The way you cant stop talking about them proves you wrong ;)
 
I actually view this as a victory for the conservative movement that is attempting to oust the NEO CONS, RINOs, and others with less than conservative attitudes in the Republican party. Scozzafava was FLATLY rejected even though she had a "R" on her jersey. If the support for Hoffman had come a few weeks earlier, I believe he would have won. Hopefully is sent a message. If you aren't going to be conservative, don't expect support, EVEN if you have the "R" on your jersey.
 
I actually view this as a victory for the conservative movement that is attempting to oust the NEO CONS, RINOs, and others with less than conservative attitudes in the Republican party. Scozzafava was FLATLY rejected even though she had a "R" on her jersey. If the support for Hoffman had come a few weeks earlier, I believe he would have won. Hopefully is sent a message. If you aren't going to be conservative, don't expect support, EVEN if you have the "R" on your jersey.

How anyone can view this as a victory for conservatives is completely cuckoo:cuckoo:
 
How anyone can view this as a victory for conservatives is completely cuckoo:cuckoo:

Scozzafava by any definition is a liberal. Owen won simply because he was wearing one of the popular party jerseys. If the RNC had supported Hoffman from the start this would have been a completely different election.
 
I actually view this as a victory for the conservative movement that is attempting to oust the NEO CONS, RINOs, and others with less than conservative attitudes in the Republican party. Scozzafava was FLATLY rejected even though she had a "R" on her jersey. If the support for Hoffman had come a few weeks earlier, I believe he would have won. Hopefully is sent a message. If you aren't going to be conservative, don't expect support, EVEN if you have the "R" on your jersey.

Yes....the message that was sent was that the GOP can't win on a conservative agenda even in a largely conservative/GOP district.
 
Scozzafava wasn't conservative.

I'm not saying she way.....but the conservative candidate backed by many in the GOP lost in a district that even a moderate democrat couldn't come closer than 35 points for the last decade.
Not exactly an embracing of the new "conservative" GOP movement now is it?

A Moderate Republican would have easily won this seat probably by 20-50 points.
 
I'm not saying she way.....but the conservative candidate backed by many in the GOP lost in a district that even a moderate democrat couldn't come closer than 35 points for the last decade.
Not exactly an embracing of the new "conservative" GOP movement now is it?

A Moderate Republican would have easily won this seat probably by 20-50 points.

The GOP candidate wasn't in the race at all. Getting past the 2 party system is a huge feat. I am curious how many people didn't vote because no republican was on the ticket. and it was still a narrow margin. A majority vote Republican or Conservative....
 
The GOP candidate wasn't in the race at all. Getting past the 2 party system is a huge feat. I am curious how many people didn't vote because no republican was on the ticket. and it was still a narrow margin. A majority vote Republican or Conservative....

Keep telling yourself that. The fact is....this was as safe a republican district as there is....carried by the Republican by a minimum 30 points in the last two decades. The closest race for 65% to 35%.
The fact that they not only rejected the conservative agenda, but rejected it in such a large way to allow a democrat to not only be in the race...but to win, is a huge defeat to the conservative movement.
 
absolutely, it's HUGE

the ny23 "movement"

LOL!

the republican party is obviously dead
 
Yes....the message that was sent was that the GOP can't win on a conservative agenda even in a largely conservative/GOP district.

Then you believe that the message is also that a liberal incumbent governor can't win on a liberal agenda even in a liberal state like New Jersey???
 
Then you believe that the message is also that a liberal incumbent governor can't win on a liberal agenda even in a liberal state like New Jersey???

Yes. I believe that there is some truth to that as well.
 
How about NJ so sick of the left they turned right?

New Jersey Republicans won 'fair and square' yes, but It was a shock to many people that the Democrat won that New York district. The conservatives have held that seat for a very long time.
 
Then you believe that the message is also that a liberal incumbent governor can't win on a liberal agenda even in a liberal state like New Jersey???

New Jersey has changed the party of its governor every election for about 30 years. Corzine was disliked and got the blame for the bad economy in NJ, plus he may have been corrupt. It's a different story in NY23, which has been represented by a Republican since the Civil War. The voters were aware they were being manipulated by Dick Armey and Glenn Beck, and they refused to go along with it.
 
New Jersey has changed the party of its governor every election for about 30 years. Corzine was disliked and got the blame for the bad economy in NJ, plus he may have been corrupt. It's a different story in NY23, which has been represented by a Republican since the Civil War. The voters were aware they were being manipulated by Dick Armey and Glenn Beck, and they refused to go along with it.




so the fact that two republicans were on the ballot and Owens is a fiscal pro farming democrat had nothing to do with it?


It was armey and beck? :lol:
 
New Jersey has changed the party of its governor every election for about 30 years. Corzine was disliked and got the blame for the bad economy in NJ, plus he may have been corrupt. It's a different story in NY23, which has been represented by a Republican since the Civil War. The voters were aware they were being manipulated by Dick Armey and Glenn Beck, and they refused to go along with it.

Not true. Democrats have been in the governors seat since 2002. So you are claiming that Obama endorsed and campaigned for a corrupt governor?? What does that say about him?

Voters in New Jersey were obviously aware that they were being manipulated by Obama and refused to go along with it.
 
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