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Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

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I'm not clinging to anything or yelling at will. I'm just laughing at your avoidance of the rejection of the "Conservative" new GOP strategy.


i hardly think that the result of one district in NY state is indicative of anything. However, TWO governors in two blue states going red? Well, now you have a trend.


j-mac
 
I responded to will talking about my states rejection of democrats and the obama agenda...


NEW FREAKING JERSEY..... :lol: We don't elect republicans......







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Still avoiding the topic I see Rev. Why is it that you cannot accept the fact that the Conservative GOP strategy FAILED in a largely conservative area.
Any hope to carry that stategy nationwide? I hope so.
 
Why don't you stay on topic. This is a huge defeat in a largely conservative area for the Beck/Limbaugh's new GOP strategy.

Where to begin.

First, it wasn't a "huge" defeat. It was a relatively small margin last I looked.

Second, it was a close victory over a 3rd party candidate that was late into entering the race

Third, the "GOP" is what helped to end up losing this thing for them, as polls seem to point that the former GOP candidate supporting the Democrat instead of the Conservative was the main reason a number of undecideds went Owens over Hoffman.

Fourth, despite being a 3rd party candidate and being a late entrant the fact that Hoffman managed to be seen as the legitimate #2 in this race, knock the GOP candidate out of the race essentially, and actually had a legit and realistic shock in and of itself is a win of sorts for that "movement". Its kind of like the Giants vs Patriots in the 2007 season, where even though they lost it was a positive for them because they went in and punched them in the mouth and did a ton better than you'd have expected just a few months back. After Conservatism was declared "dead" by many last year at this time, the fact he managed what he did is a positive for that movement even if he didn't win it all.

Fifth, that doesn't mean its all sunshine and roses. It would've been far better if he won. But you're taking a low single digit loss by a late entrant THIRD PARTY candidate that up until 4 days prior was having to compete with the GOP and 2 days ago had the GOP essentially throwing support behind the other candidate as way, way, way bigger of a referendum on conservatism than it is while simultaneously ignoring the large amount of progress the guy made.
 
Still avoiding the topic I see Rev. Why is it that you cannot accept the fact that the Conservative GOP strategy FAILED in a largely conservative area.
Any hope to carry that stategy nationwide? I hope so.




Didn't they select a republican who was rebuked for a conservative, who endorsed the democrat AND ran as an indendant?



Is this the VICTORY you want to cling to? REally?
 
Where to begin.

First, it wasn't a "huge" defeat. It was a relatively small margin last I looked.

Second, it was a close victory over a 3rd party candidate that was late into entering the race

Third, the "GOP" is what helped to end up losing this thing for them, as polls seem to point that the former GOP candidate supporting the Democrat instead of the Conservative was the main reason a number of undecideds went Owens over Hoffman.

Fourth, despite being a 3rd party candidate and being a late entrant the fact that Hoffman managed to be seen as the legitimate #2 in this race, knock the GOP candidate out of the race essentially, and actually had a legit and realistic shock in and of itself is a win of sorts for that "movement". Its kind of like the Giants vs Patriots in the 2007 season, where even though they lost it was a positive for them because they went in and punched them in the mouth and did a ton better than you'd have expected just a few months back. After Conservatism was declared "dead" by many last year at this time, the fact he managed what he did is a positive for that movement even if he didn't win it all.

Fifth, that doesn't mean its all sunshine and roses. It would've been far better if he won. But you're taking a low single digit loss by a late entrant THIRD PARTY candidate that up until 4 days prior was having to compete with the GOP and 2 days ago had the GOP essentially throwing support behind the other candidate as way, way, way bigger of a referendum on conservatism than it is while simultaneously ignoring the large amount of progress the guy made.

Despite the closeness in the final tally...it was a HUGE defeat. You cannot turn a blinds eye to the fact that this is a largely conservative GOP district.
The fact that THEY rejected this new GOP strategy is absolutely a HUGE defeat to any hope that this agenda can be carried to the country as a whole. This is a lesson to those in the GOP who listen to Beck/Limbaugh for their strategy. Personally, I hope that they didn't learn their lesson.
 
Didn't they select a republican who was rebuked for a conservative, who endorsed the democrat AND ran as an indendant?



Is this the VICTORY you want to cling to? REally?

Nice deflection Rev.....but sadly for your movement, this defeat cannot be overcome by simple denial.
 
Despite the closeness in the final tally...it was a HUGE defeat. You cannot turn a blinds eye to the fact that this is a largely conservative GOP district.
The fact that THEY rejected this new GOP strategy is absolutely a HUGE defeat to any hope that this agenda can be carried to the country as a whole. This is a lesson to those in the GOP who listen to Beck/Limbaugh for their strategy. Personally, I hope that they didn't learn their lesson.





you are still my favorite far lefty..... :doh:lol:





Huge? Who will remember it come next week? /facepalm
 
Nice deflection Rev.....but sadly for your movement, this defeat cannot be overcome by simple denial.





so the vote wasn't split? Really? You cling to your 23NY victory. I have a new governer and it will kill public healthcare for the O man.... Its a great day for America. :cool:
 
Despite the closeness in the final tally...it was a HUGE defeat. You cannot turn a blinds eye to the fact that this is a largely conservative GOP district.
The fact that THEY rejected this new GOP strategy is absolutely a HUGE defeat to any hope that this agenda can be carried to the country as a whole. This is a lesson to those in the GOP who listen to Beck/Limbaugh for their strategy. Personally, I hope that they didn't learn their lesson.


I am beginning to think that when the far left bellows the loudest then, that is the course we should take.....Like a seeing eye lib. :2wave:


j-mac
 
Really? It has been pointed out here and elsewhere that Obama was spending alot of time in NJ. Obviously he saw it as important. The one thing I will give you, is the observance of the electorate turning on corruption, and lies. The people are tired of being lied to by their elected representatives. Starting with the Chief liar, Obama himself.

Now Will, you can try and spin it anyway you wish. Hell, If I were in your shoes I sure as heck would. But, at the end of the day, and you stare into the mirror, you know damned well that this threw a monkey wrench into the works for Obama.


j-mac

No spin necessary. Even a crooked Democrat is preferable to a Republican.
 
No spin necessary. Even a crooked Democrat is preferable to a Republican.


Now that's the spirit! :thumbs: I just love it when a point in time, or something forces a slight glimmer of truth out of liberals. :doh

So you are not for checks and balance of a two party system? You'd rather see liberals occupy the entirety of the system? :2no4: Man what a sad commentary that is. :hitsfan:


j-mac
 
I do think this was detrimental not to Republicans, but to the right wing of the party. Hoffman had all the big guns he could have asked for and lost...in a district that has gone republican for years and has a massive army base in it.

I guess the question Republicans should ask is: Can you win without moderates? In some places, yes of course. In many places, no you can't.

Hoffman recieved enough national attention that the voters knew that he was the conservative candidate that would surely caucus with the GOP; and they rejected that.

Maybe guys like Newt aren't so dumb...they understand voter demographics and elections. So maybe the right-wingers who descended on NY23 can take a step back and listen to the professionals in the future.

As much as conservatives want their candidates to toe the ideological line, they have to accept that they cannot win elections in many places without moderate candidates. Independents and moderate voters generally will decide elections. I never understood why the right wing gave McCain so much guff. He was chosen by Republican and Independent voters in the primaries...why would fellow Republicans reject that? I don't care what anyone says, Palin hurt the ticket because she drove away independents that obviously voted for Obama. I voted for McCain despite how much of a dunce I thought Palin was (is). I was hoping he would keep her in a cage somewhere so she couldn't screw anything up. Should probably have been Obama's plan for Biden. ;)

However, the GOP won a huge moral victory in New Jersey. Proof that liberal ideology can be detrimental to people. I'm glad the good folks of NJ stood up to a stooge like Corzine.
 
No spin necessary. Even a crooked Democrat is preferable to a Republican.

So why didn't Obama support the clean Republican instead of standing on the stage backing the crook?

Obama supports Crooks, you support Obama...
 
Now that's the spirit! :thumbs: I just love it when a point in time, or something forces a slight glimmer of truth out of liberals. :doh

So you are not for checks and balance of a two party system? You'd rather see liberals occupy the entirety of the system? :2no4: Man what a sad commentary that is. :hitsfan:


j-mac

We tried a two party system. Republicans are on record as being committed only to the failure of the Democratic administration. There is no interest in bi-partisan governance. We don't have to get hit in the head twice to get the message. When the position of the Republican party is voiced by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the horde of thoroughly despicable parrots that echo their opinions, we would, yes, prefer a crook to a Republican.
 
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OK. This shows nothing other than your incomprehension of what I wrote.

sorry, I misread your quote. Nevertheless, I do not see any mention of the NY23 race today on the Fox website. It's as if it didn't happen.
 
sorry, I misread your quote. Nevertheless, I do not see any mention of the NY23 race today on the Fox website. It's as if it didn't happen.




You really should go to FOX news before making **** up....


Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com



Look on the left FOX FORUM where they clearly have it on thier front page.




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FAIL
 
I am beginning to think that when the far left bellows the loudest then, that is the course we should take.....Like a seeing eye lib. :2wave:


j-mac

Definitely. You should continue on this course. Go Palin 2012!!!
 
A Conservative loses one of what? 6? And this is somehow some smashing victory for the Left? :rofl
 
Hopefully Palin will continue her efforts to back candidates that she finds acceptable!!! :doh
 
We tried a two party system. Republicans are on record as being committed only to the failure of the Democratic administration. There is no interest in bi-partisan governance. We don't have to get hit in the head twice to get the message. When the position of the Republican party is voiced by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and the horde of thoroughly despicable parrots that echo their opinions, we would, yes, prefer a crook to a Republican.

LOL... is it not terrible when the most popular radio and TV shows are those embracing American values? Promoting American values? Liberty?

Simply terrible... for the Marxists among us.

You folks run the show in Congress and do not need one Republican vote.
Why all the whining?
Where is YOUR party unity?

WE conservatives have no interest in a Marxist, trained by Marxists puking all over our country and Constitution. We will fight his agenda... it is our right. It is our duty. .. to help the ignorant among us.

Rev. Wright... Obama's 20-year mentor, friend... family member. The shaper of our president's seething dislike for this country and what makes her work. The true face of Obama.

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