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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Where to begin.

    First, it wasn't a "huge" defeat. It was a relatively small margin last I looked.

    Second, it was a close victory over a 3rd party candidate that was late into entering the race

    Third, the "GOP" is what helped to end up losing this thing for them, as polls seem to point that the former GOP candidate supporting the Democrat instead of the Conservative was the main reason a number of undecideds went Owens over Hoffman.

    Fourth, despite being a 3rd party candidate and being a late entrant the fact that Hoffman managed to be seen as the legitimate #2 in this race, knock the GOP candidate out of the race essentially, and actually had a legit and realistic shock in and of itself is a win of sorts for that "movement". Its kind of like the Giants vs Patriots in the 2007 season, where even though they lost it was a positive for them because they went in and punched them in the mouth and did a ton better than you'd have expected just a few months back. After Conservatism was declared "dead" by many last year at this time, the fact he managed what he did is a positive for that movement even if he didn't win it all.

    Fifth, that doesn't mean its all sunshine and roses. It would've been far better if he won. But you're taking a low single digit loss by a late entrant THIRD PARTY candidate that up until 4 days prior was having to compete with the GOP and 2 days ago had the GOP essentially throwing support behind the other candidate as way, way, way bigger of a referendum on conservatism than it is while simultaneously ignoring the large amount of progress the guy made.
    Despite the closeness in the final tally...it was a HUGE defeat. You cannot turn a blinds eye to the fact that this is a largely conservative GOP district.
    The fact that THEY rejected this new GOP strategy is absolutely a HUGE defeat to any hope that this agenda can be carried to the country as a whole. This is a lesson to those in the GOP who listen to Beck/Limbaugh for their strategy. Personally, I hope that they didn't learn their lesson.
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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Didn't they select a republican who was rebuked for a conservative, who endorsed the democrat AND ran as an indendant?



    Is this the VICTORY you want to cling to? REally?
    Nice deflection Rev.....but sadly for your movement, this defeat cannot be overcome by simple denial.
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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Despite the closeness in the final tally...it was a HUGE defeat. You cannot turn a blinds eye to the fact that this is a largely conservative GOP district.
    The fact that THEY rejected this new GOP strategy is absolutely a HUGE defeat to any hope that this agenda can be carried to the country as a whole. This is a lesson to those in the GOP who listen to Beck/Limbaugh for their strategy. Personally, I hope that they didn't learn their lesson.




    you are still my favorite far lefty.....





    Huge? Who will remember it come next week? /facepalm
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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nice deflection Rev.....but sadly for your movement, this defeat cannot be overcome by simple denial.




    so the vote wasn't split? Really? You cling to your 23NY victory. I have a new governer and it will kill public healthcare for the O man.... Its a great day for America.
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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Despite the closeness in the final tally...it was a HUGE defeat. You cannot turn a blinds eye to the fact that this is a largely conservative GOP district.
    The fact that THEY rejected this new GOP strategy is absolutely a HUGE defeat to any hope that this agenda can be carried to the country as a whole. This is a lesson to those in the GOP who listen to Beck/Limbaugh for their strategy. Personally, I hope that they didn't learn their lesson.

    I am beginning to think that when the far left bellows the loudest then, that is the course we should take.....Like a seeing eye lib.


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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? It has been pointed out here and elsewhere that Obama was spending alot of time in NJ. Obviously he saw it as important. The one thing I will give you, is the observance of the electorate turning on corruption, and lies. The people are tired of being lied to by their elected representatives. Starting with the Chief liar, Obama himself.

    Now Will, you can try and spin it anyway you wish. Hell, If I were in your shoes I sure as heck would. But, at the end of the day, and you stare into the mirror, you know damned well that this threw a monkey wrench into the works for Obama.


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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    No spin necessary. Even a crooked Democrat is preferable to a Republican.




    It's the honest non partisan assement of reality that endears people to you.



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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    No spin necessary. Even a crooked Democrat is preferable to a Republican.

    Now that's the spirit! I just love it when a point in time, or something forces a slight glimmer of truth out of liberals.

    So you are not for checks and balance of a two party system? You'd rather see liberals occupy the entirety of the system? Man what a sad commentary that is.


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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    I do think this was detrimental not to Republicans, but to the right wing of the party. Hoffman had all the big guns he could have asked for and lost...in a district that has gone republican for years and has a massive army base in it.

    I guess the question Republicans should ask is: Can you win without moderates? In some places, yes of course. In many places, no you can't.

    Hoffman recieved enough national attention that the voters knew that he was the conservative candidate that would surely caucus with the GOP; and they rejected that.

    Maybe guys like Newt aren't so dumb...they understand voter demographics and elections. So maybe the right-wingers who descended on NY23 can take a step back and listen to the professionals in the future.

    As much as conservatives want their candidates to toe the ideological line, they have to accept that they cannot win elections in many places without moderate candidates. Independents and moderate voters generally will decide elections. I never understood why the right wing gave McCain so much guff. He was chosen by Republican and Independent voters in the primaries...why would fellow Republicans reject that? I don't care what anyone says, Palin hurt the ticket because she drove away independents that obviously voted for Obama. I voted for McCain despite how much of a dunce I thought Palin was (is). I was hoping he would keep her in a cage somewhere so she couldn't screw anything up. Should probably have been Obama's plan for Biden.

    However, the GOP won a huge moral victory in New Jersey. Proof that liberal ideology can be detrimental to people. I'm glad the good folks of NJ stood up to a stooge like Corzine.

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    Re: Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    No spin necessary. Even a crooked Democrat is preferable to a Republican.
    So why didn't Obama support the clean Republican instead of standing on the stage backing the crook?

    Obama supports Crooks, you support Obama...
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