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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If it were Bush making money on oil, you'd be okay with it right?
    Now that he's out of office? Sure. In fact, if he was making money on oil, that would be a marked improvement from his first foray into the oil industry, when he ran Harken into the ground.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Please provide where they grow more trees then they cut down.
    I never said they did, but since you ask such a childish question.

    Plum Creek Timber Company is the second largest private timberland owner in the United States, with 7.8 million acres located in the Northwestern, Southern, and Northeastern regions of the country. Our resource professionals are experts in forest management, wood fiber merchandising, real estate management, and developing new business opportunities. We are also innovators in environmental stewardship and habitat conservation.

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    When's the last time that 7 million acres of timber were harvested in this country?

    Can you provide proof of anyone making this kind of contribution to reforestation? A single Libbo group. Which Libbo tree-hugger outfit is working with any timber company to reforest millions of acres? Which one? Take you time. We await with baited breath.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Now that he's out of office? Sure. In fact, if he was making money on oil, that would be a marked improvement from his first foray into the oil industry, when he ran Harken into the ground.
    I don't believe you for a sec. You would tie him back to his presidency and scream conflict of interest and Halliburton!!! Oh yes you would.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I don't believe you for a sec. You would tie him back to his presidency and scream conflict of interest and Halliburton!!! Oh yes you would.
    Nah, I'm done with Bush. I rarely criticize him anymore except A) when his policies are still causing problems, or B) to point out the hypocrisy of partisans who are suddenly outraged over Obama doing the same thing. But in general, I prefer to just let the man enjoy his retirement. I'm not big on the whole fake outrage thing anyway...I never gave a **** about some attorneys being fired, or what Karl Rove knew and when he knew it, to begin with. Even when he was president, I generally just criticized his policies.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A) when his policies are still causing problems, or B) to point out the hypocrisy of partisans who are suddenly outraged over Obama doing the same thing. .
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    On a global scale, you are correct. But, timber, paper, logging companies here in the states and Canada, have figured out that their future lies in re-planting.
    And how much of that is government mandated or subsidised?


    neither! If I can't see a 100% return in five years- I'm not spending the money. But, that's just me.
    So, you would not invest in "risky" green technologies but will happily deride those that do because they might make some money? Thanks for proving my point for me

    All the investment of capital in the world isn't going to speed up the evolution of alternate energy. Research and developement is the only thing that is going to speed them up. Yes, that costs money, but the point is, no matter how much money you spend on them now, it's not going to make them become practical any sooner. The oil companies have spent billions on alternate energy and don't have **** to show for it.
    The oil companies have spent **** on alternate energy!!

    Compared to profits they have invested more in advertising and funding astroturf.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can you provide proof of anyone making this kind of contribution to reforestation? A single Libbo group. Which Libbo tree-hugger outfit is working with any timber company to reforest millions of acres? Which one? Take you time. We await with baited breath.
    The major difference is that environmental groups are VOLUNTEER and require DONATIONS. They also plant trees, not for re-supply to be cut down again, but for longevity and to reestablish the eco systems destroyed when the forested area was initially farmed.

    Plant A Billion Trees - one dollar at a time - with The Nature Conservancy
    5.5 million trees planted in the Atlantic Forest.

    Plant a Tree USA, along with the Billion Tree campaign, claims to have planted over 7 billion trees across the globe (one for each person on the planet.
    https://www.plantatreeusa.com/indivi...web.php?hls=42

    My problem with re-planting is many of these lumbar companies are 1) are destroying eco-systems by tree farming and killing the diversity of forests with small and mature trees by having all plants the same age, 2) cutting down entire forests with many types of trees and re-planting only a single species (the one they want to harvest).

    Recently lumbar companies are getting better and I personally don't have a problem with utilizing current tree farms. We realistically require wood for many things. I am just not for expansion into untouched and still naturally wooded areas.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Is this not called "speculation" - something a lot of entrepreneurs do? He could just as easily lost that $75 million with the company going belly-up or not coming through with the research or hitting all sorts of problems.



    Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire - Telegraph

    See the bolded word?

    Could

    They have no guarantee of that money yet


    Actually with legislation pushing carbon taxes it pretty much is guaranteed.
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The major difference is that environmental groups are VOLUNTEER and require DONATIONS. They also plant trees, not for re-supply to be cut down again, but for longevity and to reestablish the eco systems destroyed when the forested area was initially farmed.

    Plant A Billion Trees - one dollar at a time - with The Nature Conservancy
    5.5 million trees planted in the Atlantic Forest.

    Plant a Tree USA, along with the Billion Tree campaign, claims to have planted over 7 billion trees across the globe (one for each person on the planet.
    https://www.plantatreeusa.com/indivi...web.php?hls=42

    My problem with re-planting is many of these lumbar companies are 1) are destroying eco-systems by tree farming and killing the diversity of forests with small and mature trees by having all plants the same age, 2) cutting down entire forests with many types of trees and re-planting only a single species (the one they want to harvest).

    Recently lumbar companies are getting better and I personally don't have a problem with utilizing current tree farms. We realistically require wood for many things. I am just not for expansion into untouched and still naturally wooded areas.
    Not only that but young forests do not uptake as much CO2 as old growth forests, Sad but true

    PS it is lumber not lumbar - you just gave me a mental image of a woodsman with an axe walking around holding his back
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    Re: Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Actually with legislation pushing carbon taxes it pretty much is guaranteed.
    Many a slip twixt cup and lip!

    This may not be viable technology - lots of unknowns
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