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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course what he did is despicable. every murder is despicable, and plenty of natural born americans commit them.
    yes they do but people like hm supposedly come here to live under a better system be it economic or political or both. Yes, natural born Americans do commit murder but my problem is the why this slug committed murder. he wants to live the culture of where he came from and he spit in he face of our laws.

    When my parents came here with a 2 1/2 year F107SABR in tow they did not try to live the ways of where they came from. They adopted to their adopted country and they even named we after an American jet fighter LOL
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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    No, we only need to ban Muslims from owning or driving cars. LOL !!
    No, we need to eradicate Islam. It's no better than the KKK, or the Black Panther Party.
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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    When I say that you misunderstand my position in this thread I'm not talking about how equal murder is to murder. I'm talking about your implication that I'm trying to make excuses for anyone's murderous actions.

    But you kind of are. See, in my eyes when you try and mash all murders together, making one no worse than the other in retrospect, then I think you are diminishing the crime committed, and making excuses for this man.


    Do I have to make it clear that murderers should be prosecuted no matter what excuse they claim to have for their actions? Okay, then. I'll keep that in mind in the future. I guess I've been over-estimating the intelligence of the posters in this forum.

    Ok, so I am stupid.....What an intelligent debate style.


    Tell me now, j-mac, did I say at any point in this discussion that they should NOT be prosecuted? You're focusing on a discussion that was not taking place. We were not talking about the legal consequences of murder. We were talking about implementing new immigration policies targeting an entire ethnic/religious group just because of the actions of a few.

    Our immigration policies are just fine if not should be strengthened. We just need to enforce them better.


    Honor killings are under-reported in ALL countries where they are practiced. Not just the Muslim ones. It still doesn't change the fact that in many parts of the world these killings are not culturally acceptable, regardless of the majority Muslim demographic.

    If it is so culturally unacceptable, then why the underreporting? Wouldn't shedding a light on them make them less prevalent?


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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But you kind of are. See, in my eyes when you try and mash all murders together, making one no worse than the other in retrospect, then I think you are diminishing the crime committed, and making excuses for this man.
    No. I do it for the same reason I don't buy into the whole "hate crime" mindset. Murder is murder, period. The religion or the motives behind it don't matter all that much to me. Those are excuses and more often than not fodder for a certain type of rhetoric.


    Ok, so I am stupid.....What an intelligent debate style.
    Well, maybe next time, take time to read the thread and don't go off on a tangent that is not even being discussed.

    Our immigration policies are just fine if not should be strengthened. We just need to enforce them better.
    That doesn't really address what was being talked about in this thread in response to the OP. Do you think that what is being proposed in this thread would be a good idea? Should people of a certain ethnicity be "screened" as to their ability to fit in and do you think such a thing is even possible to implement? More importantly, would the results of such "screening" be accurate and reliable?

    If it is so culturally unacceptable, then why the underreporting? Wouldn't shedding a light on them make them less prevalent?


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    That is not what I said. Please read it again.

    The underreporting occurs in the countries where it IS culturally acceptable. You are for some reason ignoring the fact that some majority Muslim countries, Indonesia most specifically, do not practice honor killings. It is not a culturally acceptable practice in that specific part of the Muslim world. Which is the core of my argument int his thread, it's not so much about religion, but about cultural traditions.
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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Christian-Americans Forbidden To Kill Murderer If He Is Muslim
    Arizona Prosecutors Won’t Seek Death Penalty in Honor Killing
    February 19th http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/

    "Remember the case in which Faleh al-Maleki, an Iraqi-American father brutally ran over his daughter, Noor, in Arizona, then attempted to escape but was apprehended in Britain and returned to face justice?

    Guess what’s just happened? The Arizona prosecutors have been scared off seeking the death penalty. Public defender Billy Little raised the specter of “How will it look for Christians to execute a Muslim?”

    I kid you not.

    Billy Little asked the judge to “take special precautions to ensure the County Attorney’s Office wouldn’t wrongly seek the death penalty because Almaleki is a Muslim.” Little called for an “open process (to) provide some level of assurance that there is no appearance that a Christian is seeking to execute a Muslim for racial, political, religious or cultural beliefs,” referring to County Attorney Andrew Thomas’ Christian faith....
    Also see Arizona Republic Dad accused in 'honor killing' will not face death penalty
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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Religion of Peace...oh yeah!
    One could apply your obtuse reasoning to Christianity which in it's time was infinitely more bloodthirsty.

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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    So how do you tell the ones who won't ever fit in from the ones who will?
    Skin color and religion

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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Religion of Peace...oh yeah!
    "Religion of peace"...oh yeah!
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...lling-1-a.html
    Shame on you for selectively using human tragedy to forward your prejudiced views! As you can see, anyone can do that. Are you saying all evangelicals should be castigated because of this incident? Hmm, thought not.
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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    One could apply your obtuse reasoning to Christianity which in it's time was infinitely more bloodthirsty.
    Not really, but who cares about history. It was just around much longer.

    Anyway, Islam is not the problem, this has little to do with Islam as it does not say honor killing is OK. It is a culture thing.
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    Re: Iraqi woman, 20, dies; police in Arizona say father ran her over

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post

    One could apply your obtuse reasoning to Christianity which in it's time was infinitely more bloodthirsty.
    Ahh those nasty little words "in it's time"... but even then isn't true.

    Despite the Crusades and Inquisition, there little to match the First 500 Years of Islam. Certainly it doesn't pale in comparison to anything.

    Raping and pillaging through the Middle East, North Africa, and Southern Europe...and of course North India.

    One must remember of course ARABs were Only originally from ARABia only, the ARABian Peninsula, Now Saudi ARABia, and didn't get to be from anywhere else until Big Mo/'Islam' lit a fire under their asses ... and now 'natives' of 22 countries.
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