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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So, honouring the dead of the Twin Towers = okay and acceptable for conservatives.... guess it is because Bush ordered the ship.

    But honouring returning dead from war = horrible political photo op...?

    Interesting double standard there...

    One would think that honouring both would be on the mantra of the US right wing.. guess not.
    The Messiah didn't have to bring the cameras. So it was nothing more than a photo-op. Just like when the soon-to-be Messiah refused to visit the hospital in Bitzberg, Germany because the command refused entry to the camera crews. The STB Messiah wasn't going to waste his time on no broken down wounded sojers if he couldn't get his face on TV with those pitiful props to show how patriotic he was.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So, honouring the dead of the Twin Towers = okay and acceptable for conservatives.... guess it is because Bush ordered the ship.

    But honouring returning dead from war = horrible political photo op...?

    Interesting double standard there...

    One would think that honouring both would be on the mantra of the US right wing.. guess not.
    Do you have a point?
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Since we'regoing on about Canada, I want to take this oppurtunity to salute our 30,000 Candian brothers who served with us in Vietnam.
    Ahem...

    Canada had little to no involvement in Vietnam. Perhaps you got your info from Ann Coulter.*

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmcZG87Fmxc"]YouTube - Ann Coulter, Canada, & Vietnam[/ame]


    On edit: Many Canadians did volunteer to fight, but not under the Canadian military.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That is the trade off that we have enjoyed, yes, but it has also brought other benefits to your country. The opportunity cost of investing in our military has been funneled to peace keeping and infrastructure projects abroad. It has honed its peace keeping tactics given that it cannot provide huge amounts of military support.

    The Harper government put $64 billion into vamping up Canada's navy in order to deal with the upcoming battle over arctic sovereignty, something that greatly affects North American trade.

    It's not as black and white as saying that Canada is enjoying a free ride while your government protects us. We are the biggest oil exporter to the United States. 50-60% of your oil comes from Canada. If our companies had instead been channeled into militarization, I doubt the oil sands projects would be as advanced. Furthermore, without our oil, your military will be frozen in your own country. But no, Canadians will not begrudge you over this... we will happily sell you our oil at bargain rates under NAFTA, because you are our ally.

    We contribute more advancements to the robotics industry than the U.S. I would imagine this applies to your military technology as well.

    The list goes on. So yes, it's true, Canada relies on the U.S. for protection, but in exchange our opportunity costs shift to other projects which in turn benefit your nation.



    Then it should be even more sad that those 2,500 troops have been the make/break factor in the retention of Kabul and most of the Southern front while the U.S. administration twiddled its thumbs.



    The military-industrial complex in your country has FAR more power over domestic and foreign policy than in any other nation. It's not as simple as saying that Canada can afford more social programs than the U.S. because we don't need as much of a military; your country could also afford more benefits for its population if it had different priorities. Instead, your nation's foreign policy for 50+ years has been an interventionist one, and your population has suffered. Couple that with the incessant fear of anything 'socialist' and you have a recipe for a population that doesn't support socialized benefits as well as an administration with tighter reigns over foreign incursions.



    This was debunked above.

    I will continue to be grateful for the relationship that Canada and the U.S. shares even if, on a political level, there are many disagreements. I am grateful that every day there are men and women from both our nations that dedicate their lives to either our protection or our betterment... and even when faced with Americans who attack the Canadian way of life without basis, such as criticizing our social systems, our "liberalness", or continue to refer to us in a jingoistic manner as just another U.S. state, I will still be grateful to those people.

    What I see here is you trying to make up for the fact that you made a stupid, out of line remark both against my nationality and against an ally of your country that has provided so much. Instead of taking your foot out of your mouth and apologizing or simply saying NOTHING, you are only embarrassing yourself further.

    Keep digging your grave deeper, by all means. Like I said, despite your attacks on me and my country, I will still love the U.S. for its friendship, even if some of its citizens are less than friendly towards Canadians.
    I'm trying hard to remember when Canada needed protection, and listed the aid of American Military forces. Can you think of any, Orius?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The article said they used 7 1/2 tons of WTC steel in the ship. My main concern would be compromising the functional capabilities of the warship. Granted, I don't think it would be a problem in this case, but we live in a time where the f-22 just happened to have manufacturing interests in 46 different states. I dislike the trend in which weapons are constructed with obligations to non-military requirements. Its fine to honor a warship after the towers, but that should be reflected in symbolic features like the name, not the materials used to build it.
    It's not like they took the wreckage and welded it in.

    It was re-smelted and re-processed and certainly met the acceptance criteria for whatever application it was used in. That they kept track of the lots and could point to whatever it was the steel was used on is merely a matter of paperwork.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I think its great symbolism. I cannot think of a better way to be eulogized.

    From their deaths, you will have created a machine of war. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I'm trying hard to remember when Canada needed protection, and listed the aid of American Military forces. Can you think of any, Orius?
    None. The only time North America suffered an incursion of any meaningful scale was Pearl Harbor, but Canada was already involved in WWII well before the Americans.

    We do share a role in NORAD though which I think is important to the integrity of our borders, as well as missile defense and arctic sovereignty.

    The idea is that without American help, Canada would theoretically be invaded by any number of foreign powers... probably the most threatening of which would have been Russia back in the day. People forget though that Canada has an ongoing alliance with all the Commonwealth nations as well as most of the European powers. Not to mention, losing Canada to an enemy would be a huge strategic loss for the U.S. If we are taken over, their borders become that much less secure. American defense of Canada is in America's own interest.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I can't imagine any ways that hegemonic U.S. political regimes and their jingoistic proponents protect the general welfare of Canadians either, inasmuch as most people tend to punch when someone spits in their face, and Canada's regional proximity to the U.S. will likely place its citizens at increased risk of terrorist assault. That hasn't manifested into anything yet, but hell, what happens when someone tries to biologically contaminate Lake Superior?
    Yea, I'm sure Canada would rather be next to Mexico...

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate
    I can't imagine any ways that hegemonic U.S. political regimes and their jingoistic proponents protect the general welfare of Canadians either, inasmuch as most people tend to punch when someone spits in their face, and Canada's regional proximity to the U.S. will likely place its citizens at increased risk of terrorist assault. That hasn't manifested into anything yet, but hell, what happens when someone tries to biologically contaminate Lake Superior?
    Canadian intelligence has actually thwarted some planned terrorist attacks since 9-11, but not on the scale of the attack on the WTC. It just goes to show that the propaganda about the fundamentalists in the ME who have a thing against the West is just a big one-liner. If that were true, most Western nations would have been attacked by now.

    When NYC was attacked, Toronto was on full alert. I remember because people there were freaking out... but nothing ever came, not even to this day.

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