“I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us “ f107HyperSabr
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Canada relies on the size and expense of America's military. While Canada contributes to military actions abroad, and NATO, Canada relies heavily (as does most of the western world) on U.S. contributions to NATO et. al.
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I'm grateful that Canada is at least mildly supportive of what U.S. forces and other allies are doing abroad, but putting 2500 people in Afghanistan is hardly a make/break commitment. And Canada is struggling to do even that.I speak about the fact, that the Canada which had a vastly smaller population and was many times poorer in 1944, could field two corps (five divisions total), plus an independent armoured brigade, fly 78 squadrons, and could float the world’s third largest navy … cannot today maintain a 2500 member Afghanistan force indefinitely, in what is an incredibly low intensity conflict. Afghanistan is, by any historic measure, child’s play. Yet, Canada’s armed forces are being pulled out not only because of a lack of will among her populace, but because the forces themselves are becoming spent by the effort.
In short, one of the richest countries on the planet, one so wealthy that it has shrugged off the second worst recession of a hundred years, and one that can provide a vast welfare state without breaking a sweat, has a tiny and in many respects, poorly equipped Army, Navy, and Air Force. And this, despite the fact that Canada has the longest coastline on the planet, is a member of NATO, and owns one of the largest chunks of real estate on earth.
Let that sink in … a post-modern country of 30 million people which is one of the richest in human history can’t field a force of 2500 individuals without burning out the military.
I find it ironic that a Canadian poster is criticial of the U.S. Navy using steel from the WTC towers to field a new ship. And yet, he will be the first to speak up for spending on social programs.
It's a matter of priorities. The reason that Canada has been able to spend so much on social programs is that Canada's defense is subsidized by U.S. spending.
The Harper government put $64 billion into vamping up Canada's navy in order to deal with the upcoming battle over arctic sovereignty, something that greatly affects North American trade.
It's not as black and white as saying that Canada is enjoying a free ride while your government protects us. We are the biggest oil exporter to the United States. 50-60% of your oil comes from Canada. If our companies had instead been channeled into militarization, I doubt the oil sands projects would be as advanced. Furthermore, without our oil, your military will be frozen in your own country. But no, Canadians will not begrudge you over this... we will happily sell you our oil at bargain rates under NAFTA, because you are our ally.
We contribute more advancements to the robotics industry than the U.S. I would imagine this applies to your military technology as well.
The list goes on. So yes, it's true, Canada relies on the U.S. for protection, but in exchange our opportunity costs shift to other projects which in turn benefit your nation.
I will continue to be grateful for the relationship that Canada and the U.S. shares even if, on a political level, there are many disagreements. I am grateful that every day there are men and women from both our nations that dedicate their lives to either our protection or our betterment... and even when faced with Americans who attack the Canadian way of life without basis, such as criticizing our social systems, our "liberalness", or continue to refer to us in a jingoistic manner as just another U.S. state, I will still be grateful to those people.
What I see here is you trying to make up for the fact that you made a stupid, out of line remark both against my nationality and against an ally of your country that has provided so much. Instead of taking your foot out of your mouth and apologizing or simply saying NOTHING, you are only embarrassing yourself further.
Keep digging your grave deeper, by all means. Like I said, despite your attacks on me and my country, I will still love the U.S. for its friendship, even if some of its citizens are less than friendly towards Canadians.
Last edited by Orion; 11-02-09 at 09:22 PM.