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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If it can move troops around for the sake of warfare, then it's a war ship.
    Really then all Cruise Linner are Warship then in your eye's. look you have no idea what your talking about I suggest you cook some bacon and have some Labates

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Really then all Cruise Linner are Warship then in your eye's. look you have no idea what your talking about I suggest you cook some bacon and have some Labates
    If a cruise liner is converted to a troop deployment vessel, yes it would then be considered a warship.

    Thanks for playing.

    P.S. Labatt? Gross.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    As for you photo Catz of the F-14A which is a US Naval Aircraft...

    So the next time some of you want to post crap about what the US Military has I suggest you do your homework before or you will get your arse call on it.
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    Pull yourself together. I'm trying to think of a crafty way to say that "Canada's Navy," doesn't actually mean "US Military," in the context of Catz's post.

    There are other windmills to fight mate.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

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    Ya know the whole, "Fox is lieing", routine is loosing steam, really fast?
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Canada relies on the size and expense of America's military. While Canada contributes to military actions abroad, and NATO, Canada relies heavily (as does most of the western world) on U.S. contributions to NATO et. al.

    Canada’s Once Powerful Military Struggles With Underfunding Unambiguously Ambidextrous

    I speak about the fact, that the Canada which had a vastly smaller population and was many times poorer in 1944, could field two corps (five divisions total), plus an independent armoured brigade, fly 78 squadrons, and could float the world’s third largest navy … cannot today maintain a 2500 member Afghanistan force indefinitely, in what is an incredibly low intensity conflict. Afghanistan is, by any historic measure, child’s play. Yet, Canada’s armed forces are being pulled out not only because of a lack of will among her populace, but because the forces themselves are becoming spent by the effort.

    In short, one of the richest countries on the planet, one so wealthy that it has shrugged off the second worst recession of a hundred years, and one that can provide a vast welfare state without breaking a sweat, has a tiny and in many respects, poorly equipped Army, Navy, and Air Force. And this, despite the fact that Canada has the longest coastline on the planet, is a member of NATO, and owns one of the largest chunks of real estate on earth.

    Let that sink in … a post-modern country of 30 million people which is one of the richest in human history can’t field a force of 2500 individuals without burning out the military.
    I'm grateful that Canada is at least mildly supportive of what U.S. forces and other allies are doing abroad, but putting 2500 people in Afghanistan is hardly a make/break commitment. And Canada is struggling to do even that.

    I find it ironic that a Canadian poster is criticial of the U.S. Navy using steel from the WTC towers to field a new ship. And yet, he will be the first to speak up for spending on social programs.

    It's a matter of priorities. The reason that Canada has been able to spend so much on social programs is that Canada's defense is subsidized by U.S. spending.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Since we'regoing on about Canada, I want to take this oppurtunity to salute our 30,000 Candian brothers who served with us in Vietnam.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I think its great symbolism. I cannot think of a better way to be eulogized.
    This would have been great symbolism, too.





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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If a cruise liner is converted to a troop deployment vessel, yes it would then be considered a warship.

    Thanks for playing.

    P.S. Labatt? Gross.
    Hmm really then I suggest you have no idea what your talking about what a surprise you do understand what the USS New York is used for oh wait look who I'm asking the question to. here let me explain it to you in simple words when a Major Natural Dist. hits the World and Food and Medical Supplies need to be on the ground as fast as they can well US Naval Ships like the USS New York are one of the first of Station.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Canada relies on the size and expense of America's military. While Canada contributes to military actions abroad, and NATO, Canada relies heavily (as does most of the western world) on U.S. contributions to NATO et. al.
    That is the trade off that we have enjoyed, yes, but it has also brought other benefits to your country. The opportunity cost of investing in our military has been funneled to peace keeping and infrastructure projects abroad. It has honed its peace keeping tactics given that it cannot provide huge amounts of military support.

    The Harper government put $64 billion into vamping up Canada's navy in order to deal with the upcoming battle over arctic sovereignty, something that greatly affects North American trade.

    It's not as black and white as saying that Canada is enjoying a free ride while your government protects us. We are the biggest oil exporter to the United States. 50-60% of your oil comes from Canada. If our companies had instead been channeled into militarization, I doubt the oil sands projects would be as advanced. Furthermore, without our oil, your military will be frozen in your own country. But no, Canadians will not begrudge you over this... we will happily sell you our oil at bargain rates under NAFTA, because you are our ally.

    We contribute more advancements to the robotics industry than the U.S. I would imagine this applies to your military technology as well.

    The list goes on. So yes, it's true, Canada relies on the U.S. for protection, but in exchange our opportunity costs shift to other projects which in turn benefit your nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm grateful that Canada is at least mildly supportive of what U.S. forces and other allies are doing abroad, but putting 2500 people in Afghanistan is hardly a make/break commitment. And Canada is struggling to do even that.
    Then it should be even more sad that those 2,500 troops have been the make/break factor in the retention of Kabul and most of the Southern front while the U.S. administration twiddled its thumbs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I find it ironic that a Canadian poster is criticial of the U.S. Navy using steel from the WTC towers to field a new ship. And yet, he will be the first to speak up for spending on social programs.
    The military-industrial complex in your country has FAR more power over domestic and foreign policy than in any other nation. It's not as simple as saying that Canada can afford more social programs than the U.S. because we don't need as much of a military; your country could also afford more benefits for its population if it had different priorities. Instead, your nation's foreign policy for 50+ years has been an interventionist one, and your population has suffered. Couple that with the incessant fear of anything 'socialist' and you have a recipe for a population that doesn't support socialized benefits as well as an administration with tighter reigns over foreign incursions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's a matter of priorities. The reason that Canada has been able to spend so much on social programs is that Canada's defense is subsidized by U.S. spending.
    This was debunked above.

    I will continue to be grateful for the relationship that Canada and the U.S. shares even if, on a political level, there are many disagreements. I am grateful that every day there are men and women from both our nations that dedicate their lives to either our protection or our betterment... and even when faced with Americans who attack the Canadian way of life without basis, such as criticizing our social systems, our "liberalness", or continue to refer to us in a jingoistic manner as just another U.S. state, I will still be grateful to those people.

    What I see here is you trying to make up for the fact that you made a stupid, out of line remark both against my nationality and against an ally of your country that has provided so much. Instead of taking your foot out of your mouth and apologizing or simply saying NOTHING, you are only embarrassing yourself further.

    Keep digging your grave deeper, by all means. Like I said, despite your attacks on me and my country, I will still love the U.S. for its friendship, even if some of its citizens are less than friendly towards Canadians.
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