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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Well I can agree with that. As far as I know, it is our tax dollars that are paying for our involvement in Afghanistan. And as far as I know, we are there to support our friendly neighbour.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Well I can agree with that. As far as I know, it is our tax dollars that are paying for our involvement in Afghanistan. And as far as I know, we are there to support our friendly neighbour.
    England may have been our patriarch, but Canada is our BFF!

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

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    England may have been our patriarch, but Canada is our BFF!
    And we apologize for France being ours.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel - Military- msnbc.com



    Honoring those who fell with a ship of war. Nice.
    There is no dishonor in war. Only a pussyfist (pacifist + pussy, yeah its basically putting two synonymous words together to describe the same thing) would think there is. I guess you fail to see the meaning with using the steel from buildings our enemies destroyed to build a warship.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Well, there's likely to be obfuscation of the fact that jingoistic interference in others' affairs by the ruling political regimes here provides a strong motivation for terrorist attacks perpetuated by this...but our resident neocons could have done that anyway.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    I don't think anyone really sees this as being a "political cause." The government builds warships and names them to honor people and things. This one was built after the WTC. They named it to honor NY. As a nice symbolic gesture, they used some WTC steel. This is the type of thing that people can read about in the paper, smile, and then forget about.
    The article said they used 7 1/2 tons of WTC steel in the ship. My main concern would be compromising the functional capabilities of the warship. Granted, I don't think it would be a problem in this case, but we live in a time where the f-22 just happened to have manufacturing interests in 46 different states. I dislike the trend in which weapons are constructed with obligations to non-military requirements. Its fine to honor a warship after the towers, but that should be reflected in symbolic features like the name, not the materials used to build it.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Honoring those who fell with a ship of war. Nice.
    I think its great symbolism. I cannot think of a better way to be eulogized.

    From their deaths, you will have created a machine of war. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

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    I guess I missed that news. What are you defending us for again?
    I can't imagine any ways that hegemonic U.S. political regimes and their jingoistic proponents protect the general welfare of Canadians either, inasmuch as most people tend to punch when someone spits in their face, and Canada's regional proximity to the U.S. will likely place its citizens at increased risk of terrorist assault. That hasn't manifested into anything yet, but hell, what happens when someone tries to biologically contaminate Lake Superior?

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Thank God you live in Canada, where you can rely on those ships to defend you, without having to trouble your conscience about actually paying for them.
    I don't mind people disagreeing with me about it. I see it as just more ammo for the military-industrial complex.

    The issue I have is with my nationality being used against me by you just because I don't support militarization. Grow up please.

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    Re: 21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I think its great symbolism. I cannot think of a better way to be eulogized.

    From their deaths, you will have created a machine of war. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
    Well, this is along the lines of what I was thinking. The terrorists wanted a war, they wanted unrest, they wanted the West to shed its peaceful veneer and get down and dirty. This is just playing right into it. I don't see how building a ship that will be used to attack countries, kill more innocent people, and breed a new generation of terrorists is going to help.

    Not to mention, the war in Afghanistan and Iraq will not yield long term results. Afghanistan is a mess right now, and the conflict has expanded well into Pakistan and the surrounding -stans. Sending more resources into the conflict when the strategy has no meaningful direction isn't intelligent.

    The ship being made to honor 9-11 and being called USS New York is just glossing over all the above.

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