Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

[j-mac]

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder says a lawsuit in San Francisco over warrantless wiretapping threatens to expose ongoing intelligence work and must be thrown out.

In making the argument, the Obama administration agreed with the Bush administration's position on the case but insists it came to the decision differently. A civil liberties group criticized the move Friday as a retreat from promises President Barack Obama made as a candidate.

Holder's effort to stop the lawsuit marks the first time the administration has tried to invoke the state secrets privilege under a new policy it launched last month designed to make such a legal argument more difficult.


The Associated Press: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

Hmmmm.... Another broken promise from Barry? At least he seems to be a consistent liar, Equal opportunity and all.....:doh


j-mac

 

[American]

*crickets*

 

[hazlnut]

Hmmmm.... Another broken promise from Barry? At least he seems to be a consistent liar, Equal opportunity and all.....:doh


j-mac

What a brilliant analysis of the story and the relevance of the individual case involved.

You've outdone yourself, j-mac.:roll:

 

[RightinNYC]

What a brilliant analysis of the story and the relevance of the individual case involved.

You've outdone yourself, j-mac.:roll:

Any comment on the fact that Obama is yet again hewing to a Bush Administration policy that it criticized during the campaign, or would you rather just attack the messenger?

 

[apdst]

This is a smart decision. Sometimes, it's going to be necessary to listen in on phone calls. Our national security depends on that ability.

 

[j-mac]

I agree. For what it's worth.


j-mac

 

[danarhea]

When Bush was spying on Americans, I called for his impeachment. Now that it turns out that Obama is doing the same, I call for his impeachment. Spying on Americans is not something that America does. It is something that the old Soviet Union did. It is not a good thing to know that our last 2 presidents support Soviet policies, and taking actions that suppress freedom, rather than enhance it.

Obama should resign his presidency over this, and if the American people have any cahonas at all, they should unelect each and every Democrat and Republican that supported Bush in this, and who are supporting Obama now, either directly, or by their unamerican inaction.

This is disgusting. Citizens should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of its citizens.

 

[TOJ]

When Bush was spying on Americans, I called for his impeachment. Now that it turns out that Obama is doing the same, I call for his impeachment. Spying on Americans is not something that America does. It is something that the old Soviet Union did. It is not a good thing to know that our last 2 presidents support Soviet policies, and taking actions that suppress freedom, rather than enhance it.

Obama should resign his presidency over this, and if the American people have any cahonas at all, they should unelect each and every Democrat and Republican that supported Bush in this, and who are supporting Obama now, either directly, or by their unamerican inaction.

This is disgusting. Citizens should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of its citizens.

What a quaint, antiquated idea. Do you still believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy?

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[Richard Nixon]

When Bush was spying on Americans, I called for his impeachment. Now that it turns out that Obama is doing the same, I call for his impeachment. Spying on Americans is not something that America does. It is something that the old Soviet Union did. It is not a good thing to know that our last 2 presidents support Soviet policies, and taking actions that suppress freedom, rather than enhance it.

Obama should resign his presidency over this, and if the American people have any cahonas at all, they should unelect each and every Democrat and Republican that supported Bush in this, and who are supporting Obama now, either directly, or by their unamerican inaction.

This is disgusting. Citizens should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of its citizens.

That's a tad dramatic, isn't it? I don't agree with warrantless wiretapping but to leave the country presidentless over the continuation of another's policies is simply not worth it. By all means launch an investigation but geeez.

 

[PeteEU]

Spying on Americans is not something that America does.

What alternative dimension do you come from? :2wave: I mean seriously, the US government regardless of party colour has spied on its own citizens since forever. In the 1940s it was against "nazies and japs", in the 1950s to this century it was "commies, lefties and others undesirables" and now days it is anyone with even a remote link to the Islamic world. And that is not even including those Presidents and heads of the intelligence communities that used their positions to spy on rivals..

And like it or not, it is not "government" that is doing this, it is so called well meaning elected officials that often demand it and in some rare cases it is elected officials that are not well meaning but hell bent on gaining more power. Government is only the tool. And dont think the private sector is any better.

 

[TOJ]

That's a tad dramatic, isn't it? I don't agree with warrantless wiretapping but to leave the country presidentless over the continuation of another's policies is simply not worth it. By all means launch an investigation but geeez.

The VP would be elevated. The USA was not left presidentless after the Lincoln or Kennedy assinations or after Nixon resigned.

So if Prez Doofus were to be impeached, Biden would become President. That's about the best insurance Doofus could have. :shock:

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[jamesrage]

Hmmmm.... Another broken promise from Barry? At least he seems to be a consistent liar, Equal opportunity and all.....:doh


j-mac

It seems that just like a lot of politicians he said what ever he had to get elected and then backs out of what he promised to do..

 

[American]

What a brilliant analysis of the story and the relevance of the individual case involved.

You've outdone yourself, j-mac.:roll:

You people were ready to impeach Bush over this issue and compared him to Hitler and a fascist government. So naturually we're concerned when your hypocracy comes shining through like a solar flare.

 

[American]

When Bush was spying on Americans, I called for his impeachment. Now that it turns out that Obama is doing the same, I call for his impeachment. Spying on Americans is not something that America does. It is something that the old Soviet Union did. It is not a good thing to know that our last 2 presidents support Soviet policies, and taking actions that suppress freedom, rather than enhance it.

Obama should resign his presidency over this, and if the American people have any cahonas at all, they should unelect each and every Democrat and Republican that supported Bush in this, and who are supporting Obama now, either directly, or by their unamerican inaction.

This is disgusting. Citizens should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of its citizens.

I call bull****, it was never proven that he was spying on Americans.

 

[WillRockwell]

Hmmmm.... Another broken promise from Barry? At least he seems to be a consistent liar, Equal opportunity and all.....:doh


j-mac

You don't know a thing about the details of this case, do you?

 

[WillRockwell]

I call bull****, it was never proven that he was spying on Americans.

It was proven that the NSA has gathered and stored every email written by every American. Is that spying?

 

[aps]

I don't see this as a broken promise by Obama. At the time he made allegations, he was not privy to the intelligence that the then White House had. Now that he has a more complete picture as to what this lawsuit would divulge, he has changed his position. I don't have a problem with a changed position when the person is provided more detailed intelligence.

 

[American]

It was proven that the NSA has gathered and stored every email written by every American. Is that spying?

That started long before Bush was elected, where have you been?

 

[American]

I don't see this as a broken promise by Obama. At the time he made allegations, he was not privy to the intelligence that the then White House had. Now that he has a more complete picture as to what this lawsuit would divulge, he has changed his position. I don't have a problem with a changed position when the person is provided more detailed intelligence.

I have a problem with someone frothing at the mouth when he doesn't know what he's talking about during a campaign.

 

[aps]

I have a problem with someone frothing at the mouth when he doesn't know what he's talking about during a campaign.

That's a valid complaint.

 

[American]

That's a valid complaint.

Do you know that Bush privately warned both Obama and Clinton during the campaign not to say things that would cause them to backpedal once in office. They didn't heed his advice. Campaign rhetoric is a dangerous thing. Obama is finding out that Bush was not as stupid as he thought.

 

[Renae]

The warrantless wiretap program gets hackles raised where hackles shouldn't. Too many people hear "Warrantless" and freak out. Like those morons that protest "Irradiated foods" as being dangerous. Nuclear Lunch: The Dangers and Unknowns of Food Irradiation / MICHAEL COLBY / Fatal Harvest: The Tragedy of Industrial Agriculture / Island Press Jul02

YES, if the program was unrestricted, with no oversight, and was being used improperly I'd have to agree it should be shut down. To call for Impeaching a President because he supports a program designed to allow the intel arms of the Government to listen into calls from Terrorist overseas to Americans or vice versa is just the far fringe of hyper-reactive paranoia.

 

[Charles Martel]

I don't see this as a broken promise by Obama. At the time he made allegations, he was not privy to the intelligence that the then White House had. Now that he has a more complete picture as to what this lawsuit would divulge, he has changed his position. I don't have a problem with a changed position when the person is provided more detailed intelligence.

You are correct, it's not a broken promise from Obama. However, you are also incorrect, he didn't change his position upon more detailed intelligence, sorry.

Unbelieveable!

 

[Charles Martel]

Do you know that Bush privately warned both Obama and Clinton during the campaign not to say things that would cause them to backpedal once in office. They didn't heed his advice. Campaign rhetoric is a dangerous thing. Obama is finding out that Bush was not as stupid as he thought.

American......I am confused here and especially by aps' post. This was no change in mind, Obama would merely pander to his audience. During the Democratic Campaign, Obama voted right along with Bush for wiretapping, Hillary tried to use it against him. His constituencise simply didn't care that Obama followed Bush on this policy and the story gets even scarier although not appropriate for this thread. This issue he voted yea on as the Left deafened us with their silence proving beyond any doubt they weren't concerned for this issue ion the first place. It was just another Bush bashing effort, now that Bush is gone, the pretend and fake outrage over warrantless wiretapping, in fact, the fake and pretend outrage for the entire Patriot Act has vanished.

 

[aps]

You are correct, it's not a broken promise from Obama. However, you are also incorrect, he didn't change his position upon more detailed intelligence, sorry.

Unbelieveable!

Hello? You're going to make that assertion and then not back it up? Talk about unbelievable! :rofl