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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    This is BS....and another letdown by Obama....proving once again that those of us on the left were absolutely right that Obama is nothing more than a left-leaning moderate. There are somethings that Obama has done that I agree with, there are others that I vehemently disagree with. This is one of them.

    The government should be required to get a warrant before engaging in spying on citizens of this country....period. We require that of the police, why should we not require it of the government?

    I don't even think that getting a warrant after the fact is good enough....but Bush/Obama apparently don't believe the Constitution requires that.

    The Constitution requires due process and accountability....and we as citizens should demand that of our government.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This is BS....and another letdown by Obama....proving once again that those of us on the left were absolutely right that Obama is nothing more than a left-leaning moderate. There are somethings that Obama has done that I agree with, there are others that I vehemently disagree with. This is one of them.

    The government should be required to get a warrant before engaging in spying on citizens of this country....period. We require that of the police, why should we not require it of the government?

    I don't even think that getting a warrant after the fact is good enough....but Bush/Obama apparently don't believe the Constitution requires that.

    The Constitution requires due process and accountability....and we as citizens should demand that of our government.
    That mentality let the 9/11 suspects slip by law enforcement and kill thousands.

    You ARE right, the government needs to be measured in what it does. However, you are stuck on the myth they are spying on innocent people.

    If you REALLY are on this "constitution" kick, where stand you on Obama's Czars and the powers they have? I dont' recall any of that in the Constitution. How about where do they get the power to set pay, own and run private industry, negate legal contracts retroactively and the like...

    Obama's not a moderate, he's to the left of Hillary, open your eyes.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That mentality let the 9/11 suspects slip by law enforcement and kill thousands.

    You ARE right, the government needs to be measured in what it does. However, you are stuck on the myth they are spying on innocent people.

    If you REALLY are on this "constitution" kick, where stand you on Obama's Czars and the powers they have? I dont' recall any of that in the Constitution. How about where do they get the power to set pay, own and run private industry, negate legal contracts retroactively and the like...

    Obama's not a moderate, he's to the left of Hillary, open your eyes.
    HELLO....Hilary is no liberal either. Just because people want to slap a label on either of them, doesn't make it true. Compare their stands on most of the major issues and you will see that neither is a true liberal.

    As far as the Czars.....this isn't new. President's have had them for decades. They are advisors and have no power.


    Spying is spying and due process is due process. Do you honestly believe that no innocent people were spied on or are being spied on? Seriously.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This is BS....and another letdown by Obama....proving once again that those of us on the left were absolutely right that Obama is nothing more than a left-leaning moderate. There are somethings that Obama has done that I agree with, there are others that I vehemently disagree with.
    Welcome to how we felt about Bush.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That mentality let the 9/11 suspects slip by law enforcement and kill thousands.
    OMG you're right....the terrorists are coming! Please government, do whatever you want! Save me save me save me!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If you REALLY are on this "constitution" kick, where stand you on Obama's Czars and the powers they have? I dont' recall any of that in the Constitution. How about where do they get the power to set pay, own and run private industry, negate legal contracts retroactively and the like...
    This is a really good point though. I think the government has long been assuming powers it was never given, Obama isn't stopping that either. But you have to wonder exactly how much interference and control the President is supposed to have over the private sector. There is some, we can go after monopoly and such (though that's usually handled through the judicial branch). But looking at exactly what the government is taking over and mandating...it's getting ominous and I think we really have to start saying no. There were proper regulations to put in which could help prevent another collapse we just had; but too much government is almost always a bad thing.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Welcome to how we felt about Bush.
    I felt pretty much the same way, except with Bush it was a given. With Obama it is a let-down.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I felt pretty much the same way, except with Bush it was a given. With Obama it is a let-down.
    The "given" was Obama following the exact same Bush policies.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    The "given" was Obama following the exact same Bush policies.
    In some areas....yes. In some areas, I'm glad to see a complete shift in policy...in other areas, I expected more.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    HELLO....Hilary is no liberal either. Just because people want to slap a label on either of them, doesn't make it true. Compare their stands on most of the major issues and you will see that neither is a true liberal.

    As far as the Czars.....this isn't new. President's have had them for decades. They are advisors and have no power.


    Spying is spying and due process is due process. Do you honestly believe that no innocent people were spied on or are being spied on? Seriously.
    Who says no one gets spied on even with warrants?
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In some areas....yes. In some areas, I'm glad to see a complete shift in policy...in other areas, I expected more.
    You see no shifts abroad. You may see Obama is too cowardly to waterboard, but, that's the only change you see. Unless you've another to highlight.
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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