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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Well....you were...flat out wrong. Obama didn't change his mind at all. He supported these measures and the reason I will apologize for jumping on you so quick is that this issue really irks me. Obama voted for this during the primary, Hillary tried to make hay about it and was ignored.
    No worries. I understand the passion regarding this issue.

    And remember...the Left wanted Bush impeached for this. Now that their President is following the same exact policy.....we're deafened by the Left's silence. And when I saw you were attempting to give Obama cover by claiming he's possibly changed his mind as he had more info, that simply isn't even close to true.

    He voted for this in July of 2008 when it was almost certain he would win the overall election for President. And his initial opposition to the bill wasn't about the wiretapping, it was the issue of access to company records...that he opposed then and is supporting NOW.

    So...what changed his mind there? On the government's access to records? And...does this even slightly bother Obama supporters when the President is busy with so many fingers in the private sector's business?
    Yes, it slightly bothers this Obama supporter. I'm just not as well versed as I would like to be to fully understand what happened and why it happened.

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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Those inquiries have led to concerns in Congress about the agency’s ability to collect and read domestic e-mail messages of Americans on a widespread basis, officials said.
    From your link, Will......

    Gee, I wonder why the "concerns in Congress" no longer apply? I mean, with a brand new Democratically dominated Congress why would they NOT put a stop to Obama following the exact sme policy Bush did?

    Perhaps their opposition then was purely political? Go figure!
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmm.... Another broken promise from Barry? At least he seems to be a consistent liar, Equal opportunity and all.....


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    Can you imagine the outrage that would be pouring forth from the major media and Libruls had this been the Bush Adminstration???

    Irony and hypocrisy truly do define Democrat Librul politics.

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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Can you imagine the outrage that would be pouring forth from the major media and Libruls had this been the Bush Adminstration???

    Irony and hypocrisy truly do define Democrat Librul politics.
    What if McCain had won and did this? OMG!!!!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    When Bush was spying on Americans, I called for his impeachment. Now that it turns out that Obama is doing the same, I call for his impeachment. Spying on Americans is not something that America does. It is something that the old Soviet Union did. It is not a good thing to know that our last 2 presidents support Soviet policies, and taking actions that suppress freedom, rather than enhance it.

    Obama should resign his presidency over this, and if the American people have any cahonas at all, they should unelect each and every Democrat and Republican that supported Bush in this, and who are supporting Obama now, either directly, or by their unamerican inaction.

    This is disgusting. Citizens should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of its citizens.
    Yeah Dana, let's impeach Obama for doing his job. It was stupid calling for Bush's impeachment just as it is now calling for Obama's.

    You need to READ your Constitution and become INFORMED before you make such uninformed comments.

    Last time I looked, you had to have impeachable evidence to IMPEACH a President. Of course, once again yours would be just because you say so. You were wrong on Bush, and you are wrong on Obama; but at least you are consistently wrong.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    It was proven that the NSA has gathered and stored every email written by every American. Is that spying?
    Only in the fantasy land that you apparently inhabit Will; but in the REAL world it doesn't exist and the desperate efforts of the lunatic left to assert it does suggests a profound irony that they are not whining about it when the Obama Administration does it.

    So what say you? Will join Dana in his efforts to impeach Obama now?


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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Yes, it slightly bothers this Obama supporter. I'm just not as well versed as I would like to be to fully understand what happened and why it happened.
    You don't need to know that much though to realize one must exonerate Bush and even apologize to him for taking issue with his policy here to begin with. It obviously wasn't a passion coming from the American Left but rather a cheap and disgusting manner in which to attack the President.

    I mean, Bush's numbers suffered because of this specific issue, the Left in Congress actually proceeded with impeachment proceedings, they continued to call the Patriot Act unconstitutional and an interference into basic American rights.

    Now that Obama votes for it as early as July 2008, now that he extends the other Patriot Act policies.....is there even ONE Democrat calling for impeachment? Does this issue affect Obama's poll numbers or policy decisions.....even one iota?

    How can this President continue the same exact policies after he chomped on about hope and change? Where is the American Left's outrage vanished to concerning this issue? Why isn't Obama accused of spying on Americans, why isn't Obama accused of illegal roving wiretaps, why aren't charges attempted against Obama when he accesses company records of private corporations?

    Because...the Left's outrage and selective accusation machine was making all the hay to begin with. This isn't an issue that upsets Americans, if it was, they'd be upset now. They're not. It's just another case of selective outrage shown by traitorous Democrats in the middle of a war. Now that their circus clown is in...trust me...you'll hear no more from Congress about wiretapping nor the entire Patriot Act.
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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I don't see this as a broken promise by Obama. At the time he made allegations, he was not privy to the intelligence that the then White House had. Now that he has a more complete picture as to what this lawsuit would divulge, he has changed his position. I don't have a problem with a changed position when the person is provided more detailed intelligence.
    That is the exact point; most of us KNEW he wasn't talking out of his ass. Read my signature (which dates back to 2008) if there is any doubt.

    The point now is merely to point out the lies, hyperbole and demagoguery this President used against his opponents to get elected while being completely ignorant or not caring about the FACTS.


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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The warrantless wiretap program gets hackles raised where hackles shouldn't. Too many people hear "Warrantless" and freak out. Like those morons that protest "Irradiated foods" as being dangerous. Nuclear Lunch: The Dangers and Unknowns of Food Irradiation / MICHAEL COLBY / Fatal Harvest: The Tragedy of Industrial Agriculture / Island Press Jul02

    YES, if the program was unrestricted, with no oversight, and was being used improperly I'd have to agree it should be shut down. To call for Impeaching a President because he supports a program designed to allow the intel arms of the Government to listen into calls from Terrorist overseas to Americans or vice versa is just the far fringe of hyper-reactive paranoia.
    MrVicchio, don't you know the FACTS are not something those who prefer to demagogue their political opponents care about?

    It is comforting that this Administration has seen the light of the foolish campaign rhetoric however and are fighting to do the RIGHT thing; so far.


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    Re: Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What if McCain had won and did this? OMG!!!!
    Lions and tigers and bears; OH MY! Followed by "the sky is falling, THE SKY IS FALLING!"

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