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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Plain Jim View Post
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    Calling liberals all of one thing is the same as calling conservatives all of one thing. While I think it is generally true that Rush's ditto heads are partisan to the chore because they like Rush's ideology, just as much as left talk radio generates, nevertheless, liberals are all over the map just as much as conservatives when it comes to politics and beliefs.

    You are doing yourself as well as your stance a disservice and only alienating people that may consider what you have to say.

    Try raising it up a notch.

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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You going to ask Disneydude to raise his argument up a notch?
    I answered him, go up the thread.
    I found nothing wrong with what he said.
    I don't know that much about Scalia. I only found the article interesting.
    I'm all ears to what he is up too, but then again it is not one of my big priorities.

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    They both don't fit.
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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Can you give us some examples of where you see this?

    What is your opinion of Justice Thomas?
    Another good point - Thomas is undoubtedly the most consistent of any of the Justices. Based on the above criticisms of Scalia, one would think that they would at least respect Thomas's principled stands, even if they disagreed with his conclusions. For the most part, I've found that that's not the case. That leads me to believe that it's something other than legal philosophies that leads many liberals to criticize Scalia and Thomas.
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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Another good point - Thomas is undoubtedly the most consistent of any of the Justices. Based on the above criticisms of Scalia, one would think that they would at least respect Thomas's principled stands, even if they disagreed with his conclusions. For the most part, I've found that that's not the case. That leads me to believe that it's something other than legal philosophies that leads many liberals to criticize Scalia and Thomas.
    I disagree with the more Liberal Justices based on ideological grounds(big shock I know) but I don't try to couch this in anything more then what it is, a disagreement with their philosophical outlook on the Constitution. I have never called say, Ginsberg stupid, or attacked her personally. I think she's very wrong in much of what she believes, and find her decisions to be very dangerous at times...

    I just find it very interesting that the two most solid conservatives are subjected to such vicious personal hate. I don't get it.
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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I disagree with the more Liberal Justices based on ideological grounds(big shock I know) but I don't try to couch this in anything more then what it is, a disagreement with their philosophical outlook on the Constitution. I have never called say, Ginsberg stupid, or attacked her personally. I think she's very wrong in much of what she believes, and find her decisions to be very dangerous at times...

    I just find it very interesting that the two most solid conservatives are subjected to such vicious personal hate. I don't get it.
    While I am sure you and I would disagree with most everything, I respect your opinion and will also point out that liberal justices get just as much grief from those kind of personal attacks.

    These people did not rise to their positions by being stupid, nor did Pelosi, Obama, Bush I or II. They are all smart people, albeit, at times I had some real problems with Bush II's intelligence. I often thought of him as more of a puppet then a master.

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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Plain Jim View Post
    While I am sure you and I would disagree with most everything, I respect your opinion and will also point out that liberal justices get just as much grief from those kind of personal attacks.

    These people did not rise to their positions by being stupid, nor did Pelosi, Obama, Bush I or II. They are all smart people, albeit, at times I had some real problems with Bush II's intelligence. I often thought of him as more of a puppet then a master.

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    Bush was sly as a fox, and if I had to mark his GREAT shortcoming, aside public speaking... it was relying on "experts" too much. It wasn't he was stupid, that's just not true, it was he knew what he didn't know and trusted those around him that were supposed to know and went with their call. Thus leading him to the occasional panic moment which I write the bailouts as... panic.

    Some call that puppet, I call it smart leadership. Doesn't make one immune to mistakes, however it is not a sign IMHO of weakness. Obama's great fault in my book is that he THINKS he knows what's best at all times, his arrogance is astounding.
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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bush was sly as a fox, and if I had to mark his GREAT shortcoming, aside public speaking... it was relying on "experts" too much. It wasn't he was stupid, that's just not true, it was he knew what he didn't know and trusted those around him that were supposed to know and went with their call. Thus leading him to the occasional panic moment which I write the bailouts as... panic.

    Some call that puppet, I call it smart leadership. Doesn't make one immune to mistakes, however it is not a sign IMHO of weakness. Obama's great fault in my book is that he THINKS he knows what's best at all times, his arrogance is astounding.
    bush isn't stupid, but his narrow views of the world caused him to make stupid mistakes.
    obama may be arrogant, but no more arrogant than bush.

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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bush was sly as a fox, and if I had to mark his GREAT shortcoming, aside public speaking... it was relying on "experts" too much. It wasn't he was stupid, that's just not true, it was he knew what he didn't know and trusted those around him that were supposed to know and went with their call. Thus leading him to the occasional panic moment which I write the bailouts as... panic.

    Some call that puppet, I call it smart leadership. Doesn't make one immune to mistakes, however it is not a sign IMHO of weakness. Obama's great fault in my book is that he THINKS he knows what's best at all times, his arrogance is astounding.
    I would agree with most of this and I personally found Bush's public speaking refreshing. Why? He never sounded practiced...or telepromptered if you will. He spoke to me as my peers speak to me. He slashed the english language, tore up quotes, misspoke, said words in error......just as my comrades, friends, workmates, family, and contacts in business or in the community. He spoke genuinely..

    You take Obama and the short cut snappy words clearly speaking at you not to you...who speaks like this? Anyone you know?
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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you've ever sat down and tried to read a Scalia decision you would see what an absolute fool he is.

    Scalia decides what he wants to decide and then goes through the most convoluted reasoning in order to justify what he wanted to decide.

    His clinging to the strict constructionist label is a joke.

    I remember when I was in law school....I would start reading a case decision, get half way through, saying what the......, flip back to the beginning and practically ever time the author of the majority was Scalia.
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    Re: Justice Scalia: Rival doctrine seeks rigidity

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    I would agree with most of this and I personally found Bush's public speaking refreshing. Why? He never sounded practiced...or telepromptered if you will. He spoke to me as my peers speak to me. He slashed the english language, tore up quotes, misspoke, said words in error......just as my comrades, friends, workmates, family, and contacts in business or in the community. He spoke genuinely..

    You take Obama and the short cut snappy words clearly speaking at you not to you...who speaks like this? Anyone you know?
    I found nothing refreshing in his delivery or speech. To me he sounded dumb and simple minded, even if he was smart, he just sounded stupid. His turning our language into mincemeat made it that much worse.

    The only person I know who butchers our language like Bush is a very smart dyslectic man who is my best friend back in the states. Don can rattle off sports memorabilia clear back to the 50's and is incredibly accurate. I certainly would not want him to be president, best friend yes, president no. One of the things I like about Don is he knows his limitations, I don't think Bush does.

    On the other hand, a man I detest, Rush, I could listen to him for hours if it was not for what the content is.

    Since I don't listen to the radio or watch TV I had no idea what Obama sounded like till well into the election cycle. It was refreshing when I finally heard, even if I disagreed with what he was saying at times, at least I could listen. I don't look at him as so much as a lecturer, but more as a leader. He just seems to have that kind of quality and I am not an Obama fan, I take exception to some of what he is doing. But you can't have everything in a leader and it certainly doesn't mean I trust him.

    By the way, I'm an independent and I can not for the life of me figure out why the GOP picked such a divisive VP candidate, it is like they wanted to lose. If anyone sounds like a lecturer it is her. She reminded me of my control freak mother, bless her heart, but my mom and I rarely see eye to eye and it has everything to do with her delivery. She lectures, she doesn't lead, she just plain lectures, even to this day and I haven't lived at parents home for 40 years.

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