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    Re: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    It would behoove Obama not to do things ass-backwards. The strategic horse should always pull the tactical cart.
    Yep. But haven't we recently changed strategies to a full COIN strategy? This is why we are seeing increased casualties as the troops push out of the FOBs and into indian country. The 40,000 troops is a surge to do COIN over a wider area, in more provinces.

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    Re: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

    My thinking is that Abdulah saw the writing on the wall and knows he cannot win the election.

    What Abdulah is doing is further eroding confidence in the voting system and making things worse, not better. This is a lot like the whining and carping we saw from the Democrats when Al Gore, the dumbest man in America, tried to disenfranchise the voters of Florida by divining votes from hanging chads.

    There will ALWAYS be problems in any voting system; there is no perfect system. But when you are a fledgling Government, it is better to work with the system and work to improve it from the inside rather than whine about losing an election and playing the boy who cried wolf and claim rampant fraud.

    There are enough nations looking at this who have indicated there were some problems and there should be a runoff. Now that Abdullah got his runoff he is taking his ball and leaving. It doesn't make a bit of sense unless of course you know you can't win.

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    Re: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Indeed. Corruption is everywhere and extends to the highest levels of government.
    It is the Middle East; the notion of incorrupt Governments in this part of the world requires the willful suspension of disbelief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The Karzai government has intimate connections with the regional warlords involved in poppy cultivation and heroin trafficking.
    Has there been any credible connection to this charge? I haven't seen it if there has; just speculation and rumor mongering.

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    Re: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

    on mtp this morning, andrea mitchell told david gregory that hrc, who's in the theater as we speak, encouraged abudullah not to back out

    no duh

    instead, the sec state told the quitter he needed to emulate gore 2000, fight the illegitimate within the system

    ms mitchell also reported that obama would now have to DELAY his determimation even further

    obama decided that he was going to decide to decide some time between the runoff on the 7th and his trip to asia on the 11th

    now he needs at least 5 more days, says ms andrea

    he won't even meet that deadline, i suspect

    interestingly, nbc also went out of its way to trash general mcchrystal

    gregory had on jon krakauer, author of some book that claims mcchrystal was central to the fraudulent silver star recommendation for ex cardinals strong safety pat tillman which found the football star was offed by friendly fire

    gregory showed a clip of the general testifying before congress, saying he hadn't read the report and he'd do things differently if he could go back

    the accusation against mcchrystal appears to carry some weight

    but more interesting is gregory's need to go after the general's integrity

    obamites don't like stanley

    we'll see how the hand picked commander in the field reacts to the obamites

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    Re: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

    It makes no sense to completely withdraw from any race worth running as you only give the opposition a clear field and limit your ability to make any changes or your views known. When you have issues such a Abdullah has it is important to keep putting out your message even in the face of corruption and little chance of ultimate victory to show you are committed to to your principles what ever they may happen to be.
    Sadly in that part of the world corruption is a way of political life as it has become here with the revelation that many in Congress are under investigation for various forms and levels of it. Seems the higher up the ladder they go the worse they get.

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    Re: Abdullah pulls out of Afghan vote

    david axelrod on ftn this morning

    schieffer: abdullah quit, does that impact your timing

    axelrod: THE RUNOFF WILL BE CONSTITUTIONAL, abdullah's decision is political, it affects no change on our outlook

    schieffer: why not, fraud was the big issue, abdullah says there's ongoing fraud

    axelrod: his judgement was political, HIS REMARKS WERE MODERATE, HE FREES UP HIS SUPPORTERS TO PARTICIPATE, HE WAS GONNA LOSE ANYWAY, he's still the leader of the opposition

    schieffer: when are you gonna decide

    axelrod: within weeks, it's not just a matter of arithmetic, it's strategy, we must protect the american people from al qaeda, THEY'VE BEEN DRIVEN TO PAKISTAN, WE DON'T WANT THEM RETURNING TO AFGHANISTAN

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    me: suddenly karzai's legitimate? the election is suddenly good enough? abdullah disagrees

    he was gonna lose anyway? then why all the fuss over the runoff? why did mcchrystal and his soldiers, risking all, have to wait for the plebiscite? how is our "partner" over there suddenly so "credible?"

    al qaeda in pakistan is somehow comforting?

    dang, the amateurishness of this bunch is truly, sincerely, to me, absolutely astonishing

    much, much worse than carter

    and THAT's really saying something

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