• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Scozzafava Suspends Campaign

donc said:
Got the hiccups today eh?Must be something Freudian in there somewhere.:mrgreen:
Click to expand...

so speaks the personality whore

issues:

independents break for mcdonnell 61%

hoffman leads by 19 and scozzafava polls at 20

even new jersey has swung 20 points

that pretty much covers everything, the only games in town

freud was a bigger loser than goldwater
 
The Prof said:
sure, today's gop and the party of obama

seeds sprouted from the selfsame acorn

perhaps you heard what happened to ms scozzafava
Click to expand...

And perhaps you have not heard that it is not a Republican that is going to win. The winner is third party, and a real Conservative.
 
i know!

it's exciting, isn't it?

republican voters ousted the rhino!

hoffman's the real deal!

just like mcdonnell!
 
The Prof said:
so speaks the personality whore

issues:

independents break for mcdonnell 61%

hoffman leads by 19 and scozzafava polls at 20

even new jersey has swung 20 points

that pretty much covers everything, the only games in town

freud was a bigger loser than goldwater
Click to expand...


Ah, personal attacks are always a sign of someone with self-doubts. ;)
 
self doubts

LOL!

ny, nj, va---double digit gains!

independents adore red!

what's to doubt?
 
The Prof said:
i know!

it's exciting, isn't it?

republican voters ousted the rhino!

hoffman's the real deal!

just like mcdonnell!
Click to expand...

Hoffman is also a Conservative in the tradition of Goldwater and Reagan.
 
danarhea said:
Hoffman is also a Conservative in the tradition of Goldwater and Reagan.
Click to expand...

i know

that's why he's gonna win!

like reagan

extremism in defense of liberty is no vice

and moderation in pursuit of justice, no virtue
 
The Prof said:
i know

that's why he's gonna win!

like reagan

extremism in defense of liberty is no vice

and moderation in pursuit of justice, no virtue
Click to expand...

OK, but you did have me confused for a minute, when you posted this:

barry goldwater was half a century ago

and he was a HUGE loser

today's gop is winning bigtime
Click to expand...

It is not the GOP winning big time, but the GOP can start winning big time if they learn their lesson here, and get rid of the RINO's who ruined the party.

At any rate, the good guys are going to win here. :)
 
Last edited:
danarhea said:
OK, but you did have me confused for a minute, when you posted this:



It is not the GOP winning big time, but the GOP can start winning big time if they learn their lesson here, and get rid of the RINO's who ruined the party.

At any rate, the good guys are going to win here. :)
Click to expand...

you know, I have to wonder, what is the difference between a moderate and a RINO? Because I've seen you say some good things about some moderates before.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
you know, I have to wonder, what is the difference between a moderate and a RINO? Because I've seen you say some good things about some moderates before.
Click to expand...

I consider myself moderately Conservative on some issues, and strongly Conservative on others. I am strongly Conservative in the areas of illegal immigration, fiscal policy, leaving the UN, Second Amendment rights, and other traditionally Conservative areas, but more Libertarian when it comes to social Conservatism, which I do not really regard as Conservatism, since they want to use the government to control freedoms. I do side with moderates in many cases here. In that regard, I am in favor of gay rights, and also a woman's right to choose (although I am in favor of reversing Roe v. Wade).

When it comes to social issues, I take a strong 10th Amendment position, and maintain that some things are not the Federal government's business. If a state wants gay marriage, or to legalize pot, it is their business only. Conversely, if a state wants abortion to be illegal, no gay marriage, and weed to be illegal, that is also their business. At any rate, I believe it to be unconstitutional for the Federal government to stick it's nose where it Constitutionally does not belong. I maintain that this is a more Conservative position than that of the Social Conservatives. I believe that the term "social Conservative" is an oxymoron.

Also, where I side with the moderates is over the silly and fabricated issues, such as those who call Obama an illegal alien who stole the presidency being idiots.

That being said, I have bashed Bush during his presidency, but I have also given him credit where credit is due, such as his tax reductions and choices of judges. Now I bash Obama, but will also give him credit where it is due, such as his finalizing lifting travel restrictions on AIDS patients. This is because I am not beholding to any one group, based on the letter that comes after a person's name.

So, all in all, I am mostly Conservative, but also use a little common sense on issues. This means looking at all sides of an issue carefully before making a decision. In that regard, I will occasionally side with the moderates, because their position makes sense to me.
 
Last edited:
chevydriver1123 said:
We do, the biggest obstacle for third parties is ballot access.
Click to expand...

The biggest obstacle is a stupid public that votes for the wrong reasons. A Third Party will not solve any problems you can think of.
 
obvious Child said:
I suppose. But people generally underestimate just how bad the alternative was. It's hard to be a pro-American, informed Conservative when you support an alternative which essentially collapses your country. Was the bailout an awful, awful idea? No doubt. Was it better than watching the financial sector of the country wipe out the rest of the country, destroying the dollar and the economy in one fell swoop? IMO, yes. What really bothers me though, is that there is absolutely nothing of material value which is being done to prevent the next collapse. We're enacting a horrible plan with nothing to prevent or at least mitigate the damages that will come from the next collapse.
Click to expand...

We were not going to "collapse" we were going to see some rough times, but in today's world, that's unacceptable. The bailouts coupled with the spending and borrowing going on is going to destroy the dollar and then you'll see the REAL destruction of the Country. Bush's greatest failure was the spending, and Obama is taking it to a whole new level.

When the dollar enters freefall, and gas jumps to $20 a gallon, what then?

We stalled a depression only to ensure a burnout.
 
MrVicchio said:
We were not going to "collapse" we were going to see some rough times, but in today's world, that's unacceptable. The bailouts coupled with the spending and borrowing going on is going to destroy the dollar and then you'll see the REAL destruction of the Country. Bush's greatest failure was the spending, and Obama is taking it to a whole new level.

When the dollar enters freefall, and gas jumps to $20 a gallon, what then?

We stalled a depression only to ensure a burnout.
Click to expand...

Most economists would disagree with your analysis and conclusions.
 
RightinNYC said:
Most economists would disagree with your analysis and conclusions.
Click to expand...

Really.

What happens when the Fed Prints Money like they are? Inflation. Interest rates have to go up in response... that's why interest rates in the late 70's hit 20%+

What happens when we borrow uncontrollably? The value of the dollar falls. Why do you think the price of Gold is so high? When you have more money chasing the same amount of goods, you get inflation. Economics 101.

Quit reading Paul Krugman and other Kensyian economist.

We're borrowing 5 BILLION a day just to keep the illusion of economic recovery moving.

Wall Street Journal financial reporter Steve Moore explains that Obama is leading the United States towards a financial train wreck.

A few numbers:

1) The U.S. is paying $1.2 billion each month on interest alone on the debt to China.

2) China is holding $776 billion in U.S. Treasury Securities.

3) The Obama Administration is borrowing $5 billion each day just to keep the US economy afloat.

Obama is placing a crushing debt not just on our children and grandchildren but on our grandchildren's grandchildren.

And if Obama gets his way and passes a government takeover of the health care and insurance systems, well, this country will be plunged into hyper-inflation.
Click to expand...
Seraphic Secret: U.S. Borrowing 5 Billion Dollars a Day
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ-GvcKb_VI&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Wall Street Journal Reporter Steve Moore: US Borrowing $5 Billion Each Day[/ame]
 
ust how much money is the U.S. government printing to meet its debts? Steven Horwitz, professor at St. Lawrence University, and co-author of The Austrian Economists blog, explains that the amount of money printed in the past few months since the October economic crisis, has been absolutely unprecedented in U.S. history. “Since September, the 'monetary base,' which is the measure of currency plus bank reserves, has doubled from about $850 billion to $1.7 trillion, about $600 billion of which is in the form of bank reserves,” he says.

Increasing the money supply should theoretically increase liquidity, one of the goals of the government since the onset of the credit crunch. But the effect of the increase has been less than you might expect, Horwitz observes. Only about $300 billion has gotten into consumers' hands.

While the Fed is selling bonds to raise money to cover government debts, it is also buying bonds to inject liquidity into the system. The more bonds it buys the more cash goes into circulation. Horwitz notes that the week ending January 7th 2009, “the Fed increased its holdings of Treasury bonds by about $10 billion, while since October 1st 2008 “it's been about $215 billion.”

According to both Horwitz and Anderson, there is a great danger of inflation in the coming months due to the Federal Reserve’s massive expansion of the money supply. The most inflationary period in U.S. history, according to Horwitz, was the end of the 1970s when “inflation rates were as high as 14%,” while the least inflationary was in 1929-1933 when massive deflation caused the Great Depression to be so long. Anderson notes that the government of Weimar Germany printed money to meet its post-WWI debts, which led to massive hyperinflation. The Federal Reserve has expanded the monetary base to avert a crisis, as it did in the wake of the stock market crash of 1987, according to Horwitz.

Inflation dangers would be exacerbated if the Chinese stop buying bonds, warns Anderson. "Will the Fed be purchasing bonds directly from Treasury?" he asks. "If that is so, then all bets are off, as there will be no limit to the Fed's ability to inflate.”
Click to expand...
Are We Really Printing Money to Finance Our Debts?

The danger of Inflation is quite high.
 
MrVicchio said:
Really.

What happens when the Fed Prints Money like they are? Inflation. Interest rates have to go up in response... that's why interest rates in the late 70's hit 20%+

What happens when we borrow uncontrollably? The value of the dollar falls. Why do you think the price of Gold is so high? When you have more money chasing the same amount of goods, you get inflation. Economics 101.

Quit reading Paul Krugman and other Kensyian economist.

We're borrowing 5 BILLION a day just to keep the illusion of economic recovery moving.


Seraphic Secret: U.S. Borrowing 5 Billion Dollars a Day
YouTube - Wall Street Journal Reporter Steve Moore: US Borrowing $5 Billion Each Day
Click to expand...

MrVicchio said:
Are We Really Printing Money to Finance Our Debts?

The danger of Inflation is quite high.
Click to expand...

None of which is particularly responsive to my point. I'm not disputing that we may see inflation, though there are plenty of economists who would disagree. What I am disputing is your bold assertion that the financial system would not have been badly hurt if we had not bailed out the banks and that we will be worse off now because we took that action.

The total cost of TARP ended up being what - $300b? As compared to the $11.8T national debt? It's a little bit absurd for you to talk about the dangers of having a huge national debt and then blame TARP when even without it, we would be in largely the same position.
 
RightinNYC said:
None of which is particularly responsive to my point. I'm not disputing that we may see inflation, though there are plenty of economists who would disagree. What I am disputing is your bold assertion that the financial system would not have been badly hurt if we had not bailed out the banks and that we will be worse off now because we took that action.

The total cost of TARP ended up being what - $300b? As compared to the $11.8T national debt? It's a little bit absurd for you to talk about the dangers of having a huge national debt and then blame TARP when even without it, we would be in largely the same position.
Click to expand...

Nothing is too big to fail, now we have Private enterprise being regulated by unelected Czars. That's... sound economic sense. The system would have had a rough go of it, but we would have survived.
 
MrVicchio said:
Nothing is too big to fail, now we have Private enterprise being regulated by unelected Czars. That's... sound economic sense. The system would have had a rough go of it, but we would have survived.
Click to expand...

And again, this is your personal analysis of the situation. The majority of economists disagreed.
 
RightinNYC said:
And again, this is your personal analysis of the situation. The majority of economists disagreed.
Click to expand...

They feared another Great Depression. It was a possibility, but the current solutions being pushed are only prolonging the fall, not fixing the problem. This, is the calm before the storm.
 
Re: Scozzafava Suspends Campaign
Click to expand...

If Palin were toxic as some Dems like to make her look, Hoffman would have been dead by association. Instead she helped engineer Scozzafava's demise.

:)
 
zimmer said:
If Palin were toxic as some Dems like to make her look, Hoffman would have been dead by association. Instead she helped engineer Scozzafava's demise.

:)
Click to expand...

Palin is incapable of engineering lunch. Hoffman had some very high level Republican backing before Palin got on board.
 
WillRockwell said:
Palin is incapable of engineering lunch. Hoffman had some very high level Republican backing before Palin got on board.
Click to expand...
I not surprised that lunch seems like an engineering processs to you.
 
latest ppp out of nj: christie by 6

obama spent an awful lot of time and political capital in the garden state

hoffman by 17 in ny23

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

mcdonnell by 14---bid goodbye to bluedogs
 
Last edited:
The Prof said:
latest ppp out of nj: christie by 6
Click to expand...

This is critical. I mean, Virginia I don't believe is going to be much of a contest, looks as if McDonald will runaway with that one....although...one never knows. But the NJ race.....now...that's critical. If Corzine gets beat, that will be huge.....certainly a shot across the liberal bow!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom