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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Your response to Kal'Stang's post should clear up any doubt about where you mind is at. You are a pathetic racist. This forum would do well if you were to simply leave for good.
    Lerxst, what is the Justice Dept. sending as a message?

    Loretta King is twisted. Her judgment is race laden.

    The following would be something you might get on SNL 30-years ago, when the show was hilarious... she missed her calling. Comedy writer. The best is in bold... what logic. Perfect fit for the Obama administration... she must be the architect of the "Jobs Saved" metric too!

    Ms. King's letter in the Kinston case states that because of the low turnout black voters must be "viewed as a minority for analytical purposes," and that "minority turnout is relevant" to determining whether the Justice Department should be allowed a change to election protocol.

    Black voters account for 9,702 of the city's 15,402 registered voters but typically don't vote at the rates whites do.

    As a result of the low turnout, Ms. King wrote, "black voters have had limited success in electing candidates of choice during recent municipal elections."

    "It is the partisan makeup of the general electorate that results in enough white cross-over to allow the black community to elect a candidate of choice," she wrote.

    Kandahar,
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    The headline and the first paragraph clearly indicates that this article is pushing an agenda, thus making me question if they didn't leave out a few key details that completely change what happened. Has this story been published as a news article (I can't even tell if this is supposed to be an op-ed piece or a news article) that presents the issue neutrally?
    There are scores of facts. The agenda is called "informing the reader". But of course... there must be another motive... nobody could be this brash and this f***ing stupid! Sorry... we're talking about Hope, Change AND Unity.
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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Let me start by saying that observations of facts that point out racism are not racist.
    If you look back over the history of the civil rights movement and start with who was for and against it you find the Democrat party was against for the most part. They were the group from which the KKK sprung to life. They are the ones who created public housing and told minorities it was a great place for them to live because it was new etc. when in fact as you look back in concentrated them in pockets in the cities. They were told they were owed things and they didn't have to wotk for them. They were given schools with teachers who were taught the same thing and it was Dim (no spell error) that brought all children the notion that everyone is equal and no one should fail in school so we'll just lower the standards and change the grading systems. It was the Dims who brought all children the notion that they are special even in sports if they lose they great praise and a trophy. It has been and continues to be the Dims who do everything they can to hold all minorities back and make them feel they have to have outside help from big bother Dims or they just can't make in life.
    Sadly a lot of people find it easy to believe lies if in the process they hear how special they are and it's not their fault and others owe them. It makes them into sheeple once they buy into the self fulfilling prophecy they have pounded into them their whole lives.
    Who wants to hear if you can't do something it's because you didn't try hard enough or you gave up. No one but it's what needs to be made clear to all children form the start. It's the one thing Obama was close on, he was just using it for the wrong reasons and sending the wrong message. He had people saying "YES WE CAN" to get there vote because they figured they were going to get the Obama Bucks thousands lined up for in Detroit, and not yes we can to make things better through hard work and doing for ourselves because that is the American way. As was said a long time ago don't give people a hand out show them the way with a hand up.

    Obama wants to keep people down because if they are dependent they are easy to control and they will continue to believe the Dim Message that they have to have help every step of the way in life and only the Dims can do it for them.

    The number of minority Conservatives is growing because people are not as stupid as The Democrat Party want them to believe. And that my fellow Americans is a good thing.
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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    I think I found the ruling. I'm not sure what the article says about the ruling, but the OP certainly mischaracterizes it. IMO the reality is much worse

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    Source [DOJ | Letter from Acting Assistant Attourney General Loretta King]




    Basically they're saying that white people are racist, and won't vote for black candidates. If you include the party of the candidate, though, white people will vote for the black candidate without knowing it because they just choose straight party ticket. Since black people are the majority of the voting-age population (even though they're ususally a minority of the electorate), it's obviously unfair if the candidate they like (but don't vote for in sufficient numbers) loses. Therefore, removing party labels will cause white people to actually look at the candidates and, since white people are racist, cause the black candidates to lose, which violates the Voting Rights Act. The reason it violates the VRA is that making white people aware of who they are voting for has the effect "of denying or abriging the right to vote on account of race, color or membership in a language minority group"

    Absolutely ridiculous

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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Kandahar,

    There are scores of facts. The agenda is called "informing the reader". But of course... there must be another motive... nobody could be this brash and this f***ing stupid! Sorry... we're talking about Hope, Change AND Unity.
    All I'm asking is for a relatively neutral presentation of what actually happened, before I render a judgment. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I think I found the ruling. I'm not sure what the article says about the ruling, but the OP certainly mischaracterizes it. IMO the reality is much worse

    Images ahead - the pdf text is not selectable
    Source [DOJ | Letter from Acting Assistant Attourney General Loretta King]




    Basically they're saying that white people are racist, and won't vote for black candidates. If you include the party of the candidate, though, white people will vote for the black candidate without knowing it because they just choose straight party ticket. Since black people are the majority of the voting-age population (even though they're ususally a minority of the electorate), it's obviously unfair if the candidate they like (but don't vote for in sufficient numbers) loses. Therefore, removing party labels will cause white people to actually look at the candidates and, since white people are racist, cause the black candidates to lose, which violates the Voting Rights Act. The reason it violates the VRA is that making white people aware of who they are voting for has the effect "of denying or abriging the right to vote on account of race, color or membership in a language minority group"

    Absolutely ridiculous
    Thanks for the primary source of information! I agree that the original post is a gross mischaracterization of what actually happened, and I also agree that the ruling is still ridiculous.

    They're arguing that removing party affiliation will result in fewer black candidates being elected, as though there was a compelling interest in more black candidates being elected to begin with. Even if that is true (and there is no evidence to suggest it is), it is still not a good enough reason to overturn the city's decision.
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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
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    Justice concludes black voters need Democratic PartyHow about a vacation? Hate messages against race are unwelcome here. And you are quickly losing your welcome as well.


    Sorry all, back to topic.

    This is why I like it here! Racism is not tolerated. Cheers to vauge!!

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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Link

    Read all four pages at the link.

    So basically what the Justice Department is saying is that blacks are too stupid to vote for who they want unless it has the word "democrat" on the ballot....how F'd UP is that?
    Everyone that hadn't already realized this, raise your hand. Welcome to the Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act that allows racial gerrymandering.
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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    This is why I like it here! Racism is not tolerated. Cheers to vauge!!
    Depends on the race.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Depends on the race.
    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    This is why I like it here! Racism is not tolerated. Cheers to vauge!!
    Racism isn't the issue. We all have different definitions of what racism actually is and that can be discussed and debated. A topic that might be worthy of its own thread.

    However, one cannot post "hate messages" as defined by rule 18.

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    Again, my apologies for derailing this thread. I just wanted everyone to know that his post was a violation of our rules.

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    Re: Justice concludes black voters need Democratic Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Here Here, the little town I'm from in Maine has Non-Partisan Election it's rather interesting to sit down and actually listen to a person who doesn't preach the party line.

    I've always thought that the Democrat and Republican Partys are in direct violation of Anti-Trust Law and should be ruled illegal.
    Washington did warn us against political parties.
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