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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    UPA did not operate in Hungary so you are spreading Soviet NKVD / KGB lies. Shame shame shame !!!
    Tell it to Hungarians!

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Remember when the Russians tried to blame the Katyn Forest massacre on the German ? then on the Ukrainian UPA !!!!

    The 1943 massacre of the Belarusian village Khatyn massacre Beria and Joseph Stalin ordered execution of "Polish officers, Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army during the Soviet invasion of Poland.

    'Katyń crime'), was a mass murder of thousands of Polish military officers, policemen, intellectuals and civilian prisoners of war by Soviet NKVD, based on a proposal from Lavrentiy Beria to execute all members of the Polish Officer Corps. Dated March 5, 1940, this official document was then approved (signed) by the entire Soviet Politburo including Joseph Stalin and Beria.[1][2][3] The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000, the most commonly cited number being 21,768.[4]
    The victims were murdered in the Katyn Forest and Kharkiv prisons and elsewhere.[5] Poles arrested for allegedly being "intelligence agents, gendarmes, saboteurs, landowners, factory owners, lawyers, priests, and officials."[4] Since Poland's conscription system required every unexempted university graduate to become a reserve officer,[6] the Soviets were able to round up much of the Polish intelligentsia, and the Jewish, Ukrainian, Georgian[7] and Belarusian intelligentsia of Polish citizenship.


    The Soviet Russians admitted to this mass murder in 1989.

    Did you read the last part = "Jewish, Ukrainian, Georgian[7] and Belarusian intelligentsia of Polish citizenship"

    The Russians were, are, and always will be murderers !!!! Katyn is just one example!!
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post

    This is the truth "After escaping from German custody Shukhevych
    Spot Shukhevich


    Roman Shukhevych (burned few Belorussian villages):
    - terrorist, most famous in the 1920s for assassinating several prominent Polish government officials;
    - graduate of officer spy school in Hitler's Germany;
    - SS officer;
    - activist in anti-partisan raids in Ukraine and Belarus during WW2;
    - recipient of several 3rd Reich awards, including 2 Iron Crosses;
    - person who directed killings of tens of thousand Ukrainian and Polish civilians during and after the war.


    Both Legion Nachtigall and Legion Rolland were the only Eastern Volunteers to actually invaded the Soviet Union with the German Army from very beginning of the campaign and become a part of a commando unit known as "Brandenburg 800".

    From Ukrainian side the commander was Roman Shukhevych and from German Theodore Oberlander. The unit was outfitted in the Wehrmaht uniforms and the only national insignia was a blue and yellow arm patch. With the outbrake of the war, the Legions along with a Panzer-Jaeger Division and some Tank units went along through Radomno-Lviw-Ternopil-Proskuriw-Vinnytsia path. After that campaign the Legion was returned to Neuhammer for regrouping and extra training. After the training the Legion was transported to Frankfurt am Oder where it joined Legion Rolland. Soon afterthat the united Legion was transfered to Belarus where it engaged anty-partizan warfare and continued to do so until 1942. In 1942, the Legion officers unsatisfied withregards German policies withregard Ukraine, resigned from their posts and the Legion was disbanned. Both officers and former soldiers - "Legionaries" as they were called, latter joined 14th Grenadier Division SS Galicia where they received upper ranks.

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Tell it to Hungarians!
    The Hungarians fielded an army that fought along side the Germans in WW II. GMAB !!! The Hungarians THE Romanians were all complacent.

    The UPA may have operated in an area called Zakarpattia Transcarpathian Ukraine, Карпатська Русь but hat is not Hungary. That area was controlled by Hungary before WW II so if there was UPA there it was after Carpatho-Ukraine (Ukrainian: Карпатська Україна, Karpats’ka Ukrayina) was an autonomous region declared itself an independent Ukrainian republic on March 15, 1939, but was occupied by Hungary between March 15 and March 18, 1939, remaining under Hungarian control until the Nazi Occupation of Hungary in 1944.

    So it was not Hungary !!! The fight was against Nazi's.
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    [Roman Shukhevych did have some German training so what !!

    There is no factual proof that Roman Shukhevych was involved in any of the crap that you posted here.

    This is all Soviet Russian hatered and propaganda !!

    We in the West know that Russians lie. Communists lie. You posted crap that was written by Russians and or communists therefore you posted lies !!

    Shame shame shame on you for posting Russian lies !!!

    Remember what I posted the KATYN FORRESTS KILLINGS !!! The Russians lied and blamed the muders on the German!!!

    LATER THE TRUTH CAME OUT !!! IT WAS THE RUSSINAS WHO MURDERED THE OFFICERS OF THE POLISH ARMY !!!

    Now you post stuff and lies about Ukrainians !!! Yet we know the truth !! It was the Russians who commtted those murders!!! The Russians lie !! They blmae others !!!

    The truth comes out!!! The Russians do the killigs !!!

    The Russians are liars !!!! They are murderers !!!

    The Russians commtted all of those attrocities. !!!
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Remember when the Russians tried to blame the Katyn Forest massacre on the German ? then on the Ukrainian UPA !!!!
    And you have any link to support your statement that "Russians tried to blame the Katyn on the Ukrainian UPA"?

    I will wait for your support of what you just said.

    As for "blaming the Germans", it was already discussed:

    1. As you well know there were two investigations into Katyn. The first one was conducted in 1943 under a personal supervision of Dr Goebbels with the use of Poles under German occupation and American and British POW as witnesses. His investigation concluded that the Poles in a mass grave were shot by NKVD. Polish government in exile immediately agreed with it despite the fact there was no independent examination of the findings.

    In 1944 the Soviets recaptured the area and themselves opened an investigation into Katyn. Polish Red Cross was asked to examine the evidence.
    It was Polish Red Cross that first examined the victims in Katyn. Their conclusion: the victims were shot from German weapons; their hands were tied with the cord made in Germany; and the manner in which the victims were shot was consistent with that of the SS and not NKVD.

    2. According to the NKVD instructions on the order of execution, the bodies of executed should not have any documents, articles of outer clothing and other material evidence to establish their identity or the date of execution. In Katyn the executed had IDs on them.

    3. 1988 Polish members of the Joint Commission on the complex issues admitted testimony P. Bredou and claimed that in the fall of 1941 in the Katyn forest, the Nazis executed Polish officers from the "second wave", ie, interned in the summer of 1940 in Lithuania and Latvia.

    4. German citizen, a former prisoner of «Tegel» William Gaul Schneider in April 1947 addressed the Polish Ministry of War, and made a statement about the perpetrators of the crime in Katyn. In June of that year he gave the relevant evidence to the prosecutor Captain Ahtu Savitsky in the American zone of occupation.

    Schneider said that in the winter 1941-1942 he was in the same cell with condemned to death German officer of «Regiment Grossdeutschland». Sergeant Schneider said that in the late autumn of 1941, more precisely, in October of this year, the regiment has committed mass murder of more than ten thousand Polish officers in the forest under Katyn "(Archive of Foreign Policy. Fund 07, opis 30a, Folder 20, Case 13, pp. 23).

    5. French historian and television journalist Alain Decaux in the mid 60-s in his study "Katyn: Hitler or Stalin " cites evidence of René Kulm, a former prisoner of the German Stalag II. In the end of 1941 R. Kulm met Polish captain Venzenskogo just brought to the camp by the Germans from the East. Venzensky said that "Fritzes there, in the East, committed a heinous crime ... SS destroyed almost all of Polish elite."

    A. Decaux also mentions the Frenchwoman Katerina Devil, known as the Red Army lieutenant. She is one of the first who visited Katyn after its liberation from the Nazis, and spoke with local residents before the arival of NKVD. She was able to visit Hitler's "Museum of Soviet atrocities", where the so-called evidence of the Katyn graves was submitted to.

    Devil was struck by the fact that in one cell of a museum with real evidence, she found a picture of her friend Zbigniew Bogutsky and a copy of his letter to his mother dated 6 March 1940. After the war, she met Z. Bogutsky in Poland, and he claimed that in March 1940 he did not write and could not write a letter to his mother. "At this point I (the Devil) realized that Katyn - is entirely fabricated by the Germans."

    6. The famous letter by Beria written on 4 pages under scrutiny proved to be a forgery typed out at different times on few typewriters and without the customary identification marks.

    7. Sent to Poland in 1995 documents of suspect Katyn victims were lost by Polish side.

    8. In early 1990s Moscow handed over to Poland all the original documents on Katyn.

    9. In 2002 Poland asked Russian government for compensation and was advised to take matter to international tribunal.

    10. In 2008 Poland’s Institute of National Remembrance has lost all the original documents on Katyn.

    11. Poland never took the case to tribunal.

    Don't you find it a touch disconcerting at how much of your "historical knowledge" comes straight from Dr Goebbels?

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    [Roman Shukhevych did have some German training so what !!

    There is no factual proof that Roman Shukhevych was involved in any of the crap that you posted here.
    Nothing special, apart from the fact that he was an SS officer and a recipient of several 3rd Reich awards, including 2 Iron Crosses. Iron Crosses were not given away like sweets, what did he do to deserve them?

    Er... actually, there are plenty photographs and his letters in archives to get pretty good idea in what crap was he involved.

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post

    This is all Soviet Russian hatered and propaganda !!

    AAAAAAAAAAAA!!

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

    !!!
    !!!

    !!! !!!

    !!! !!! The Russians lie !! !!!

    !!! !!!

    The Russians are liars !!!! They are murderers !!!

    !!!
    I hope you are not bashing your head against the wall.

    Take some valium and stop your hysteria. Do you think if you shout a lot the pre-civil war situation in Ukraine will change?

    PS
    Did you find anything to support your statement that "the Russians tried to blame Katyn on OUN/UPA", or did the words simply drop out of your mouth and onto your keyboard?
    Last edited by Elena; 11-01-09 at 11:24 PM.

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    So it was not Hungary !!! The fight was against Nazi's.
    And how many Nazis did Division SS Galicia kill?

    O, sorry, did you mean OUN/UPA killed Nazis? How many?

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Those atrocities were done by Germans, Russians, and Communists. Otheres werea atrocities committed by Soviet Partisans. The Soviet partisans were supposed to be fighting the Gremans but they were fighting the UPA and they were attacking good Ukrainian patriots.
    Recognise Polish language? Found "UPA" on a cover?


    Monument in Poland




    Write to them: Yad Vashem
    The Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority
    P.O.B. 3477
    Jerusalem 91034 Israel

    They will fill you in on who was behind Lvov massacre and Babi Yar.

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