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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    [QUOTE=Elena;1058338438]Galitchian Ukrainian diaspora! Just remember, Malorussia, Novorussia, Slobozhanshina, Crimea, Donbass, Severshina were, are and will be Russian.

    I am well aware and have noted many thimes that parts of Ukraine have been infested by Russians and that there even are Ukrainina traitors who have been Russianized so the road to rstoring a decent society in Ukraine will not be an easy one.

    I will even bother viewing your clips but you obviously do not know a thing about the OUN = Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the UPA = Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

    Your Rusian/Soviet/Communist view of the OUN / UPA cannot be any more wrong.

    For what did UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army ) struggle for ?

    The Ukrainian Insurgent Army (the UPA) fought for Ukrainian Independent State and free life for all nations in their own countries. Destruction of national identity,oppression and exploitation of one nation by another is wrong and that is what Russia did to it's neighbors. The system of free nations living in their own free land - this is the only way to guarantee a just solution of national and social issues all over the world.


    The terrible consequences of the Soviet rule in Ukraine, starvations, repressions, terror in 1920 - 1941 in the Eastern Ukraine and the mass murders, tortures and quartering of people in the NKVD prisons in the Western Ukraine in 1939 - 1941 as well as a "peaceful" Hitler's policy, have finally embittered people against Germany and Moscow Bolshevism.

    The UPA and OUN fought both the German Nazi's nad the Russian Bolshevyks.

    There was a least one miltary company of UPA was Jewish therefore the filthy Russian lie calling he OUN or UPA facists is just deplorable!!
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post

    I do not watch such trash or propoganda !!! so don't even bother posting it.

    There was struggle aginst Polish occupation that is true. The OUN Organization of Ukrainian NATIONLISTS was formed in the 1920's during the Polish occupation of Western Ukraine - Halychyna!
    The First General Assembly of the OUN was in (1929).

    Now there were some local commanders who may have taken a rather hard tone against the former Polish occupiers but there was no policy by the OUN/UPA to hurt Poles per se.
    You didn't watch it? Why not? Don't like youtube? OK, I can get you a printed version.

    Canadian Ukrainian historian Orest Subtelny: "On the eve of the attack by Germany on the USSR, already there was formed the Ukrainian Underground Army, the first formation was called 'Legion of Ukrainian Nationalists.' This legion was composed of 600 members and it was split into two battalions, code-named "Nightingale" and "Roland". These Ukrainian fascists came together with the Germans into Ukraine. In June of 1941 in Lvov, they distributed leaflets, which ended up with these words; "People, do understand! Moscow, Poland, Hungary, Jews – these are the enemies! We must eliminate them!" In the Act of Declaration of Ukrainian "Independent" State in 1941, the document ended with these words: "Glory to the victorious German Army and its great leader, Adolph Hitler!"

    “The Nachtingal brigade, which was later incorporated into the SS Galizien, took part in a three-day massacre of the Jewish population of Lvov (now Lviv) from 30 June 1941. Roman Shukhevych was the commander of the Nachtingal and later, in 1943, became commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army…” Hitler's Ukrainian SS division was created from the merger of many different units, including the Nightingale battalion, said to have participated in the massacre of thousands of Jews in Lvov, Ukraine, and the Ukrainian Self Defence Legion, accused of murdering villagers in eastern Poland. Some Galizien troops are said to have played a part in the bloody suppression of the 1944 Warsaw uprising, while others are alleged to have murdered a number of British and American airmen who were being sheltered by partisans in Slovakia…” Yard reopens inquiry into former Nazi soldiers still alive in Britain | UK news | The Guardian

    Ukrainian nationalists massacred about 4,000 Jews in early July 1941. Another pogrom, known as the Petliura Days, was organized in late July....More than 2,000 Jews were murdered and thousands more were injured. Lvov

    Have you heard of Baby Yar? Well, "An MP V. Shkuratyuk from Rivne City council, said: "I am proud of the fact that among the 1500 who took part in slaughter in Babi Yar there were 1200 policemen from the OUN and only 300 Germans".""Kievsky" Gazette of 26 March 1993)

    That's Baby Yar in Kiev

    And what OUN/UPA was doing in Belarus, Slovakia and Hungary burning villiages and killing locals?

    There is from Poland

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post

    The UPA and OUN fought both the German Nazi's nad the Russian Bolshevyks.

    !!
    Just how many Germans or Red Army did OUN/UPA killed? Er...

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    There are Poles who think that they will be able to reconquer HALICHYNA but there are also Germans who think that they will get the Danzig and Silesia back. Who knows there may a English bufoon or two who think they will get America back - ha ha ha !!
    With one difference: Ukrainians WANT Poland to take back Galitchina! They even started an internet campaign to annul Molotov/Ribb. pact and in a spirit of historic justice return Galitchina to Poland.

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    Just how many Germans or Red Army did OUN/UPA killed? Er...
    With insurgent fighitng hat is hard to say since rfecord keeping was a priority and not all that practical.

    Regarding the Natchingal BATTALION that is very vile Russian Soviet lies and propaganda.

    This is the truth "After escaping from German custody Shukhevych once again headed the Military section of the OUN. In May he became a member of the leadership of the OUN and in time the head. In August 1943 at the III Special Congress of the OUN he was elected head of the Direction of the OUN and Supreme Commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army known as UPA.

    Under Shukhevych's leadership the evolution of the program for which the OUN fought was further refined. These were:

    against all forms of totalitarian systems
    for the construction of a democratic state system in Ukraine
    the right for self determination against empire and imperialism.[29]
    The Insurgent Army was joined by various people from the Caucasus and Central Asia who had fought in German formations. The rise of non-Ukrainians in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army gave stimulus to the special conference for Captive Nations of Europe and Asia which took place November 21-22 1943 in Buderazh, not far from Rivne. The agenda included the formation of a unified plan for the attack against occupational forces.[30]"
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    With one difference: Ukrainians WANT Poland to take back Galitchina! They even started an internet campaign to annul Molotov/Ribb. pact and in a spirit of historic justice return Galitchina to Poland.
    That is the most rediculous lie I have ever heard. Why would Ukrainians want to give Halychina back under Polish imperilist control !!!

    You need to ground yourself in reality and forget about Russian and Soviet propaganda!!!

    Тобто російські КОМУНІСТИЧНІ СРСР пропагандистським я облік вами
    That is Russian COMMUNIST USSR propaganda I am telling you
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    With insurgent fighitng hat is hard to say ...
    Yet it is not hard to say how many women, kids and elderly of all ethnicities (including Ukrainians) they murdered for the simple reason: the victims were not supportive of Galitchian Nazis. That's why those "insurgents" who survived run WITH Hitler's armies and settled predominantly in the US and Canada forming the core of "Ukrainian diaspora".

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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    You didn't watch it? Why not? Don't like youtube? OK, I can get you a printed version.

    Canadian Ukrainian historian Orest Subtelny: "On the eve of the attack by Germany on the USSR, already there was formed the Ukrainian Underground Army, the first formation was called 'Legion of Ukrainian Nationalists.' This legion was composed of 600 members and it was split into two battalions, code-named "Nightingale" and "Roland". These Ukrainian fascists came together with the Germans into Ukraine. In June of 1941 in Lvov, they distributed leaflets, which ended up with these words; "People, do understand! Moscow, Poland, Hungary, Jews – these are the enemies! We must eliminate them!" In the Act of Declaration of Ukrainian "Independent" State in 1941, the document ended with these words: "Glory to the victorious German Army and its great leader, Adolph Hitler!"

    “The Nachtingal brigade, which was later incorporated into the SS Galizien, took part in a three-day massacre of the Jewish population of Lvov (now Lviv) from 30 June 1941. Roman Shukhevych was the commander of the Nachtingal and later, in 1943, became commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army…” Hitler's Ukrainian SS division was created from the merger of many different units, including the Nightingale battalion, said to have participated in the massacre of thousands of Jews in Lvov, Ukraine, and the Ukrainian Self Defence Legion, accused of murdering villagers in eastern Poland. Some Galizien troops are said to have played a part in the bloody suppression of the 1944 Warsaw uprising, while others are alleged to have murdered a number of British and American airmen who were being sheltered by partisans in Slovakia…” Yard reopens inquiry into former Nazi soldiers still alive in Britain | UK news | The Guardian

    Ukrainian nationalists massacred about 4,000 Jews in early July 1941. Another pogrom, known as the Petliura Days, was organized in late July....More than 2,000 Jews were murdered and thousands more were injured. Lvov

    Have you heard of Baby Yar? Well, "An MP V. Shkuratyuk from Rivne City council, said: "I am proud of the fact that among the 1500 who took part in slaughter in Babi Yar there were 1200 policemen from the OUN and only 300 Germans".""Kievsky" Gazette of 26 March 1993)

    That's Baby Yar in Kiev

    And what OUN/UPA was doing in Belarus, Slovakia and Hungary burning villiages and killing locals?

    There is from Poland
    Those atrocities were done by Germans, Russians, and Communists. Otheres werea atrocities committed by Soviet Partisans. The Soviet partisans were supposed to be fighting the Gremans but they were fighting the UPA and they were attacking good Ukrainian patriots.
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    UPA did not operate in Hungary so you are spreading Soviet NKVD / KGB lies. Shame shame shame !!!
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    Re: Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post

    Why would Ukrainians want to give Halychina back under Polish imperilist control !!!
    Because Ukrainians are sick of Galitchian rabid nationalism. Especially since 2004.

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