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Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine.

Elena said:
Galitchian Ukrainian diaspora! Just remember, Malorussia, Novorussia, Slobozhanshina, Crimea, Donbass, Severshina were, are and will be Russian.

I am well aware and have noted many thimes that parts of Ukraine have been infested by Russians and that there even are Ukrainina traitors who have been Russianized so the road to rstoring a decent society in Ukraine will not be an easy one.

I will even bother viewing your clips but you obviously do not know a thing about the OUN = Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the UPA = Ukrainian Insurgent Army.

Your Rusian/Soviet/Communist view of the OUN / UPA cannot be any more wrong.

For what did UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army ) struggle for ?

The Ukrainian Insurgent Army (the UPA) fought for Ukrainian Independent State and free life for all nations in their own countries. Destruction of national identity,oppression and exploitation of one nation by another is wrong and that is what Russia did to it's neighbors. The system of free nations living in their own free land - this is the only way to guarantee a just solution of national and social issues all over the world.


The terrible consequences of the Soviet rule in Ukraine, starvations, repressions, terror in 1920 - 1941 in the Eastern Ukraine and the mass murders, tortures and quartering of people in the NKVD prisons in the Western Ukraine in 1939 - 1941 as well as a "peaceful" Hitler's policy, have finally embittered people against Germany and Moscow Bolshevism.

The UPA and OUN fought both the German Nazi's nad the Russian Bolshevyks.

There was a least one miltary company of UPA was Jewish therefore the filthy Russian lie calling he OUN or UPA facists is just deplorable!!
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F107HyperSabr said:
I do not watch such trash or propoganda !!! so don't even bother posting it.

There was struggle aginst Polish occupation that is true. The OUN Organization of Ukrainian NATIONLISTS was formed in the 1920's during the Polish occupation of Western Ukraine - Halychyna!
The First General Assembly of the OUN was in (1929).

Now there were some local commanders who may have taken a rather hard tone against the former Polish occupiers but there was no policy by the OUN/UPA to hurt Poles per se.
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You didn't watch it? Why not? Don't like youtube? OK, I can get you a printed version.

Canadian Ukrainian historian Orest Subtelny: "On the eve of the attack by Germany on the USSR, already there was formed the Ukrainian Underground Army, the first formation was called 'Legion of Ukrainian Nationalists.' This legion was composed of 600 members and it was split into two battalions, code-named "Nightingale" and "Roland". These Ukrainian fascists came together with the Germans into Ukraine. In June of 1941 in Lvov, they distributed leaflets, which ended up with these words; "People, do understand! Moscow, Poland, Hungary, Jews – these are the enemies! We must eliminate them!" In the Act of Declaration of Ukrainian "Independent" State in 1941, the document ended with these words: "Glory to the victorious German Army and its great leader, Adolph Hitler!"

“The Nachtingal brigade, which was later incorporated into the SS Galizien, took part in a three-day massacre of the Jewish population of Lvov (now Lviv) from 30 June 1941. Roman Shukhevych was the commander of the Nachtingal and later, in 1943, became commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army…” Hitler's Ukrainian SS division was created from the merger of many different units, including the Nightingale battalion, said to have participated in the massacre of thousands of Jews in Lvov, Ukraine, and the Ukrainian Self Defence Legion, accused of murdering villagers in eastern Poland. Some Galizien troops are said to have played a part in the bloody suppression of the 1944 Warsaw uprising, while others are alleged to have murdered a number of British and American airmen who were being sheltered by partisans in Slovakia…” Yard reopens inquiry into former Nazi soldiers still alive in Britain | UK news | The Guardian

Ukrainian nationalists massacred about 4,000 Jews in early July 1941. Another pogrom, known as the Petliura Days, was organized in late July....More than 2,000 Jews were murdered and thousands more were injured. Lvov

Have you heard of Baby Yar? Well, "An MP V. Shkuratyuk from Rivne City council, said: "I am proud of the fact that among the 1500 who took part in slaughter in Babi Yar there were 1200 policemen from the OUN and only 300 Germans".""Kievsky" Gazette of 26 March 1993)

That's Baby Yar in Kiev
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And what OUN/UPA was doing in Belarus, Slovakia and Hungary burning villiages and killing locals?

There is from Poland
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F107HyperSabr said:
There are Poles who think that they will be able to reconquer HALICHYNA but there are also Germans who think that they will get the Danzig and Silesia back. Who knows there may a English bufoon or two who think they will get America back - ha ha ha !!
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With one difference: Ukrainians WANT Poland to take back Galitchina! They even started an internet campaign to annul Molotov/Ribb. pact and in a spirit of historic justice return Galitchina to Poland. :lol:
 
Elena said:
Just how many Germans or Red Army did OUN/UPA killed? Er...
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With insurgent fighitng hat is hard to say since rfecord keeping was a priority and not all that practical.

Regarding the Natchingal BATTALION that is very vile Russian Soviet lies and propaganda.

This is the truth "After escaping from German custody Shukhevych once again headed the Military section of the OUN. In May he became a member of the leadership of the OUN and in time the head. In August 1943 at the III Special Congress of the OUN he was elected head of the Direction of the OUN and Supreme Commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army known as UPA.

Under Shukhevych's leadership the evolution of the program for which the OUN fought was further refined. These were:

against all forms of totalitarian systems
for the construction of a democratic state system in Ukraine
the right for self determination against empire and imperialism.[29]
The Insurgent Army was joined by various people from the Caucasus and Central Asia who had fought in German formations. The rise of non-Ukrainians in the Ukrainian Insurgent Army gave stimulus to the special conference for Captive Nations of Europe and Asia which took place November 21-22 1943 in Buderazh, not far from Rivne. The agenda included the formation of a unified plan for the attack against occupational forces.[30]"
 
Elena said:
With one difference: Ukrainians WANT Poland to take back Galitchina! They even started an internet campaign to annul Molotov/Ribb. pact and in a spirit of historic justice return Galitchina to Poland. :lol:
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That is the most rediculous lie I have ever heard. Why would Ukrainians want to give Halychina back under Polish imperilist control !!!

You need to ground yourself in reality and forget about Russian and Soviet propaganda!!!

Тобто російські КОМУНІСТИЧНІ СРСР пропагандистським я облік вами
That is Russian COMMUNIST USSR propaganda I am telling you
 
F107HyperSabr said:
With insurgent fighitng hat is hard to say ...
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Yet it is not hard to say how many women, kids and elderly of all ethnicities (including Ukrainians) they murdered for the simple reason: the victims were not supportive of Galitchian Nazis. That's why those "insurgents" who survived run WITH Hitler's armies and settled predominantly in the US and Canada forming the core of "Ukrainian diaspora".
 
Elena said:
You didn't watch it? Why not? Don't like youtube? OK, I can get you a printed version.

Canadian Ukrainian historian Orest Subtelny: "On the eve of the attack by Germany on the USSR, already there was formed the Ukrainian Underground Army, the first formation was called 'Legion of Ukrainian Nationalists.' This legion was composed of 600 members and it was split into two battalions, code-named "Nightingale" and "Roland". These Ukrainian fascists came together with the Germans into Ukraine. In June of 1941 in Lvov, they distributed leaflets, which ended up with these words; "People, do understand! Moscow, Poland, Hungary, Jews – these are the enemies! We must eliminate them!" In the Act of Declaration of Ukrainian "Independent" State in 1941, the document ended with these words: "Glory to the victorious German Army and its great leader, Adolph Hitler!"

“The Nachtingal brigade, which was later incorporated into the SS Galizien, took part in a three-day massacre of the Jewish population of Lvov (now Lviv) from 30 June 1941. Roman Shukhevych was the commander of the Nachtingal and later, in 1943, became commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army…” Hitler's Ukrainian SS division was created from the merger of many different units, including the Nightingale battalion, said to have participated in the massacre of thousands of Jews in Lvov, Ukraine, and the Ukrainian Self Defence Legion, accused of murdering villagers in eastern Poland. Some Galizien troops are said to have played a part in the bloody suppression of the 1944 Warsaw uprising, while others are alleged to have murdered a number of British and American airmen who were being sheltered by partisans in Slovakia…” Yard reopens inquiry into former Nazi soldiers still alive in Britain | UK news | The Guardian

Ukrainian nationalists massacred about 4,000 Jews in early July 1941. Another pogrom, known as the Petliura Days, was organized in late July....More than 2,000 Jews were murdered and thousands more were injured. Lvov

Have you heard of Baby Yar? Well, "An MP V. Shkuratyuk from Rivne City council, said: "I am proud of the fact that among the 1500 who took part in slaughter in Babi Yar there were 1200 policemen from the OUN and only 300 Germans".""Kievsky" Gazette of 26 March 1993)

That's Baby Yar in Kiev
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And what OUN/UPA was doing in Belarus, Slovakia and Hungary burning villiages and killing locals?

There is from Poland
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Those atrocities were done by Germans, Russians, and Communists. Otheres werea atrocities committed by Soviet Partisans. The Soviet partisans were supposed to be fighting the Gremans but they were fighting the UPA and they were attacking good Ukrainian patriots.
 
UPA did not operate in Hungary so you are spreading Soviet NKVD / KGB lies. Shame shame shame !!!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Why would Ukrainians want to give Halychina back under Polish imperilist control !!!
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Because Ukrainians are sick of Galitchian rabid nationalism. Especially since 2004.
 
Remember when the Russians tried to blame the Katyn Forest massacre on the German ? then on the Ukrainian UPA !!!!

The 1943 massacre of the Belarusian village Khatyn massacre Beria and Joseph Stalin ordered execution of "Polish officers, Polish prisoners of war captured by the Red Army during the Soviet invasion of Poland.

'Katyń crime'), was a mass murder of thousands of Polish military officers, policemen, intellectuals and civilian prisoners of war by Soviet NKVD, based on a proposal from Lavrentiy Beria to execute all members of the Polish Officer Corps. Dated March 5, 1940, this official document was then approved (signed) by the entire Soviet Politburo including Joseph Stalin and Beria.[1][2][3] The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000, the most commonly cited number being 21,768.[4]
The victims were murdered in the Katyn Forest and Kharkiv prisons and elsewhere.[5] Poles arrested for allegedly being "intelligence agents, gendarmes, saboteurs, landowners, factory owners, lawyers, priests, and officials."[4] Since Poland's conscription system required every unexempted university graduate to become a reserve officer,[6] the Soviets were able to round up much of the Polish intelligentsia, and the Jewish, Ukrainian, Georgian[7] and Belarusian intelligentsia of Polish citizenship.


The Soviet Russians admitted to this mass murder in 1989.

Did you read the last part = "Jewish, Ukrainian, Georgian[7] and Belarusian intelligentsia of Polish citizenship"

The Russians were, are, and always will be murderers !!!! Katyn is just one example!!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This is the truth "After escaping from German custody Shukhevych
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Spot Shukhevich
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Roman Shukhevych (burned few Belorussian villages):
- terrorist, most famous in the 1920s for assassinating several prominent Polish government officials;
- graduate of officer spy school in Hitler's Germany;
- SS officer;
- activist in anti-partisan raids in Ukraine and Belarus during WW2;
- recipient of several 3rd Reich awards, including 2 Iron Crosses;
- person who directed killings of tens of thousand Ukrainian and Polish civilians during and after the war.


Both Legion Nachtigall and Legion Rolland were the only Eastern Volunteers to actually invaded the Soviet Union with the German Army from very beginning of the campaign and become a part of a commando unit known as "Brandenburg 800".

From Ukrainian side the commander was Roman Shukhevych and from German Theodore Oberlander. The unit was outfitted in the Wehrmaht uniforms and the only national insignia was a blue and yellow arm patch. With the outbrake of the war, the Legions along with a Panzer-Jaeger Division and some Tank units went along through Radomno-Lviw-Ternopil-Proskuriw-Vinnytsia path. After that campaign the Legion was returned to Neuhammer for regrouping and extra training. After the training the Legion was transported to Frankfurt am Oder where it joined Legion Rolland. Soon afterthat the united Legion was transfered to Belarus where it engaged anty-partizan warfare and continued to do so until 1942. In 1942, the Legion officers unsatisfied withregards German policies withregard Ukraine, resigned from their posts and the Legion was disbanned. Both officers and former soldiers - "Legionaries" as they were called, latter joined 14th Grenadier Division SS Galicia where they received upper ranks.
 
Elena said:
Tell it to Hungarians!
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The Hungarians fielded an army that fought along side the Germans in WW II. GMAB !!! The Hungarians THE Romanians were all complacent.

The UPA may have operated in an area called Zakarpattia Transcarpathian Ukraine, Карпатська Русь but hat is not Hungary. That area was controlled by Hungary before WW II so if there was UPA there it was after Carpatho-Ukraine (Ukrainian: Карпатська Україна, Karpats’ka Ukrayina) was an autonomous region declared itself an independent Ukrainian republic on March 15, 1939, but was occupied by Hungary between March 15 and March 18, 1939, remaining under Hungarian control until the Nazi Occupation of Hungary in 1944.

So it was not Hungary !!! The fight was against Nazi's.
 
[Roman Shukhevych did have some German training so what !!

There is no factual proof that Roman Shukhevych was involved in any of the crap that you posted here.

This is all Soviet Russian hatered and propaganda !!

We in the West know that Russians lie. Communists lie. You posted crap that was written by Russians and or communists therefore you posted lies !!

Shame shame shame on you for posting Russian lies !!!

Remember what I posted the KATYN FORRESTS KILLINGS !!! The Russians lied and blamed the muders on the German!!!

LATER THE TRUTH CAME OUT !!! IT WAS THE RUSSINAS WHO MURDERED THE OFFICERS OF THE POLISH ARMY !!!

Now you post stuff and lies about Ukrainians !!! Yet we know the truth !! It was the Russians who commtted those murders!!! The Russians lie !! They blmae others !!!

The truth comes out!!! The Russians do the killigs !!!

The Russians are liars !!!! They are murderers !!!

The Russians commtted all of those attrocities. !!!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Remember when the Russians tried to blame the Katyn Forest massacre on the German ? then on the Ukrainian UPA !!!!
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And you have any link to support your statement that "Russians tried to blame the Katyn on the Ukrainian UPA"?

I will wait for your support of what you just said.

As for "blaming the Germans", it was already discussed:

1. As you well know there were two investigations into Katyn. The first one was conducted in 1943 under a personal supervision of Dr Goebbels with the use of Poles under German occupation and American and British POW as witnesses. His investigation concluded that the Poles in a mass grave were shot by NKVD. Polish government in exile immediately agreed with it despite the fact there was no independent examination of the findings.

In 1944 the Soviets recaptured the area and themselves opened an investigation into Katyn. Polish Red Cross was asked to examine the evidence.
It was Polish Red Cross that first examined the victims in Katyn. Their conclusion: the victims were shot from German weapons; their hands were tied with the cord made in Germany; and the manner in which the victims were shot was consistent with that of the SS and not NKVD.

2. According to the NKVD instructions on the order of execution, the bodies of executed should not have any documents, articles of outer clothing and other material evidence to establish their identity or the date of execution. In Katyn the executed had IDs on them.

3. 1988 Polish members of the Joint Commission on the complex issues admitted testimony P. Bredou and claimed that in the fall of 1941 in the Katyn forest, the Nazis executed Polish officers from the "second wave", ie, interned in the summer of 1940 in Lithuania and Latvia.

4. German citizen, a former prisoner of «Tegel» William Gaul Schneider in April 1947 addressed the Polish Ministry of War, and made a statement about the perpetrators of the crime in Katyn. In June of that year he gave the relevant evidence to the prosecutor Captain Ahtu Savitsky in the American zone of occupation.

Schneider said that in the winter 1941-1942 he was in the same cell with condemned to death German officer of «Regiment Grossdeutschland». Sergeant Schneider said that in the late autumn of 1941, more precisely, in October of this year, the regiment has committed mass murder of more than ten thousand Polish officers in the forest under Katyn "(Archive of Foreign Policy. Fund 07, opis 30a, Folder 20, Case 13, pp. 23).

5. French historian and television journalist Alain Decaux in the mid 60-s in his study "Katyn: Hitler or Stalin " cites evidence of René Kulm, a former prisoner of the German Stalag II. In the end of 1941 R. Kulm met Polish captain Venzenskogo just brought to the camp by the Germans from the East. Venzensky said that "Fritzes there, in the East, committed a heinous crime ... SS destroyed almost all of Polish elite."

A. Decaux also mentions the Frenchwoman Katerina Devil, known as the Red Army lieutenant. She is one of the first who visited Katyn after its liberation from the Nazis, and spoke with local residents before the arival of NKVD. She was able to visit Hitler's "Museum of Soviet atrocities", where the so-called evidence of the Katyn graves was submitted to.

Devil was struck by the fact that in one cell of a museum with real evidence, she found a picture of her friend Zbigniew Bogutsky and a copy of his letter to his mother dated 6 March 1940. After the war, she met Z. Bogutsky in Poland, and he claimed that in March 1940 he did not write and could not write a letter to his mother. "At this point I (the Devil) realized that Katyn - is entirely fabricated by the Germans."

6. The famous letter by Beria written on 4 pages under scrutiny proved to be a forgery typed out at different times on few typewriters and without the customary identification marks.

7. Sent to Poland in 1995 documents of suspect Katyn victims were lost by Polish side.

8. In early 1990s Moscow handed over to Poland all the original documents on Katyn.

9. In 2002 Poland asked Russian government for compensation and was advised to take matter to international tribunal.

10. In 2008 Poland’s Institute of National Remembrance has lost all the original documents on Katyn.

11. Poland never took the case to tribunal.

Don't you find it a touch disconcerting at how much of your "historical knowledge" comes straight from Dr Goebbels?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
[Roman Shukhevych did have some German training so what !!

There is no factual proof that Roman Shukhevych was involved in any of the crap that you posted here.
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Nothing special, apart from the fact that he was an SS officer and a recipient of several 3rd Reich awards, including 2 Iron Crosses. Iron Crosses were not given away like sweets, what did he do to deserve them?

Er... actually, there are plenty photographs and his letters in archives to get pretty good idea in what crap was he involved.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This is all Soviet Russian hatered and propaganda !!

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The Russians are liars !!!! They are murderers !!!

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I hope you are not bashing your head against the wall.

Take some valium and stop your hysteria. Do you think if you shout a lot the pre-civil war situation in Ukraine will change?

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Did you find anything to support your statement that "the Russians tried to blame Katyn on OUN/UPA", or did the words simply drop out of your mouth and onto your keyboard?
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
So it was not Hungary !!! The fight was against Nazi's.
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And how many Nazis did Division SS Galicia kill? :lamo

O, sorry, did you mean OUN/UPA killed Nazis? How many? :mrgreen:
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Those atrocities were done by Germans, Russians, and Communists. Otheres werea atrocities committed by Soviet Partisans. The Soviet partisans were supposed to be fighting the Gremans but they were fighting the UPA and they were attacking good Ukrainian patriots.
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Recognise Polish language? Found "UPA" on a cover?
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Monument in Poland
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Write to them: Yad Vashem
The Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority
P.O.B. 3477
Jerusalem 91034 Israel

They will fill you in on who was behind Lvov massacre and Babi Yar.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
The Hungarians fielded an army that fought along side the Germans in WW II. GMAB !!! The Hungarians THE Romanians were all complacent.
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But OUN/UPA did not fight the Nazis, they were killing local peasants!
 
Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.

He was duly arrestedby FBI.

Microbiologist alleges Baxter "swine flu" vaccine is a bioweapon

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWIzHOikETc"]YouTube- Ukraine OUTBREAK actually Baxter Pharma BIOWEAPON?? HERE'S THE EVIDENCE[/ame]
 
The only thing the US ever "spread" around the world is death.
 
danarhea said:
Update, translated from a Russian web site - Some doctors are now claiming that this is a form of pneumonic plague. If that is the case, it will be easily contained, but the loss of life is now at 1,500.

Article is here.
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I have heard that the reason that Swine Flu attacks children and young adults harder is that it basically turns the immune system against itself and the immune system attacks the lungs (the heavy onset of mucus, for instance, is an immuno-response). It comes on fast, and the stronger the immune system, the stronger the attack. I wonder how similar it is to this Ukrainian illness.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I have heard that the reason that Swine Flu attacks children and young adults harder is that it basically turns the immune system against itself and the immune system attacks the lungs (the heavy onset of mucus, for instance, is an immuno-response). It comes on fast, and the stronger the immune system, the stronger the attack. I wonder how similar it is to this Ukrainian illness.
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Swine flu is hitting the young harder because they do not have immunity. Older people, such as myself, have had milder cases because we were around when the swine flue hit in the 1970's, and have some immunity. Didn't keep me from getting it but, except for one day, it was fairly mild.

And the Ukraine Flu is a different strain, and might not be the flu. At any rate, doesn't look like this one is going to spread.
 
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