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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This ban was unenforceable any way. How many people with AIDS look sick or wear a sign saying "I have AIDS".
    Which is why you make anyone wishing to come into this country get a medical exam and test at approved locations and then they pass we give them a visa. No visa no entry
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The stupidity with this administration piles up so fast, you gotta have wings to stay above it.
    Geez. Don't you ever read the links? Obama is merely finishing something that began with the Bush administration, but I don't hear you bashing Bush over this.

    BTW, Bush was right.
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It doesn't mean we should swing the door wide open for them. A medical exam should be required of anyone seeking entry into this country,maybe put a a doctor in our embassies and submit dna and blood samples to labs in our country and if those come up clean then they should be allowed a visa and if they do not come up clean for any dangerous diseases then to bad no entry for them. I do not expect it to stop everyone who has aids or some other dangerous disease from coming into this country, I just do not think the gate should be wide open just a because a few might be able to sneak through.

    Which is why is support putting more border guards on the border and possibly militarizing it.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which is why you make anyone wishing to come into this country get a medical exam and test at approved locations and then they pass we give them a visa. No visa no entry
    This just sounds like an absolutely horrible idea. You're going to make everyone who wants to come in to visit get a medical exam?

    If you had to get a medical exam every time you visited Europe/Canada/Mexico, how often would you go?
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This just sounds like an absolutely horrible idea. You're going to make everyone who wants to come in to visit get a medical exam?
    Yes.It doesn't have to have to be for every visit but like maybe once every six months or a year.

    If you had to get a medical exam every time you visited Europe/Canada/Mexico, how often would you go?
    If I wanted to go Europe, Mexico or some other country then yes I would submit to a medical exam. You seem to be under the impression that there countries have to let people in,this is false. No country is under any obligation to let anyone cross its border.
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Geez. Don't you ever read the links? Obama is merely finishing something that began with the Bush administration, but I don't hear you bashing Bush over this.

    BTW, Bush was right.
    Bush was wrong. The stupidity of the Dems in Congress and this administration piles up so high, you need wings to stay above it. There!
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes.It doesn't have to have to be for every visit but like maybe once every six months or a year.


    If I wanted to go Europe, Mexico or some other country then yes I would submit to a medical exam. You seem to be under the impression that there countries have to let people in,this is false. No country is under any obligation to let anyone cross its border.
    I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying that tourism and business are good things. We should not be discouraging them, which is what this policy would do.
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What if this ban lift allows new strains to enter the country? What if there's an airborne strain lurking around somewhere and it comes, here?
    1. We would have already known about it.
    2. Other countries would have already known about it.
    3. Viruses don't work the way you think they do.

    This message is brought you by people who have any understanding of what AIDS/HIV is.
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Geez. Don't you ever read the links? Obama is merely finishing something that began with the Bush administration, but I don't hear you bashing Bush over this.

    BTW, Bush was right.
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh brother.
    Great response, very compelling.
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    Re: Obama to lift HIV/AIDS travel ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    1. We would have already known about it.
    2. Other countries would have already known about it.
    3. Viruses don't work the way you think they do.

    This message is brought you by people who have any understanding of what AIDS/HIV is.
    We didn't know about HIV/AIDS until it showed up in Western nations. It's not impossible that other strains exist, that we don't know if.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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