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    Iran Rejects Deal to Ship Out Uranium, Officials Report

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/wo...e.html?_r=1&hp

    Since the world has wasted over 6 years trying to negotiate with fascist murderers, and those murderous criminals - who have slaughtered their own citizens on the street and in their gulags - have refused to participate in the plan offered by the IAEA/UN/EU and US, there is no "diplomacy track" left to go on, as if there ever was one in the first place.

    Really, what intelligent person would ever hope to strike a fair bargain with criminals who lie, cheat and steal every day of their lives - plus murder civilians across the globe?

    The US, Israel and EU can now safely destroy the iranian government and its nuclear program, leading to complete regime change, as they can easily state that they tried "diplomacy," but the fascists will not give up theri nuclear weapons program.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    The title of the article you link to is "Iran Rejects Deal to Ship Out Uranium, Officials Report", which by the rules of this subforum, should be the title of your thread. Please read the rules at the top of this subforum.

    The apparent rejection of the deal could unwind President Obama’s effort to buy time to resolve the nuclear standoff.

    In public, neither the Iranians nor the watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, revealed the details of Iran’s objections, which came only hours after Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, insisted that “we are ready to cooperate” with the West.
    This is not good news(says Capt. Obvious). There seems to be fewer and fewer paths to a positive outcome out of this, and some type of military action is becoming more and more likely, much to my dismay.
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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    No one with common sense and a knowledge of history should be surprised by any of this.
    Thank you

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    The real question is why they rejected it. If it merely is the issue regarding Frances former contract regarding the fuel, that would be a cost worth paying in order to avoid weapons. If it is something else, who knows.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi
    The real question is why they rejected it.
    They saw what happened to Iraq.
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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    They saw what happened to Iraq.
    I don't think so. Khamenei is clearly not worried about invasion, or he wouldn't be allowing the negotiations to break down. Having nuclear weapons keeps you safe, attempting to build them makes you a big fat target.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I don't think so. Khamenei is clearly not worried about invasion, or he wouldn't be allowing the negotiations to break down. Having nuclear weapons keeps you safe, attempting to build them makes you a big fat target.
    He knows there isn't going to be an invasion, regardless of what he does. An American invasion of Iran would be a strategic disaster, even if it were politically possible which it isn't. Our military is stretched to the breaking point as is.
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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Unreasonable and irrational you say?

    A senior European official characterized the Iranian response as “basically a refusal.” The Iranians, he said, want to keep all of their lightly enriched uranium in the country until receiving fuel bought from the West for the reactor in Tehran.
    That seems pretty rational to me. There is a chance that one Iran ships its LEU out, that the world will back out of its end. In fact, I'd argue we SHOULD back out once they send it out of country. Anyone who thinks Iran's government is fanatical is clearly not looking that the facts on the ground.

    Given how Iran's reactor is a light water reactor, we seem to be focusing on the wrong aspect. Let them enrich to 3% all they want. We just want the waste. Plutonium waste is far more useful to a nuclear program that 3% LEU.
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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    If there is to be a war which I seriously doubt I hope Obama and the rest of the politicians stay the hell out of battle plans and decisions other than go win. Otherwise it will be turned into another debacle with a lot of wasted lives for nothing.
    Obama is too interested in kissing ass not kicking any. it will fall to Israel to ake out the sites in question and that will lead to a wider mess.
    They would have done well to shoot down Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's plane on his way back from the UN last month while it was in mid Atlantic using a missile from a sub. We could have said oh my how awful we'll help with the search for the wreckage. hen make sure none was ever found.
    Moammar Gadhafi would made a nice target too.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    He knows there isn't going to be an invasion, regardless of what he does. An American invasion of Iran would be a strategic disaster, even if it were politically possible which it isn't. Our military is stretched to the breaking point as is.
    Perhaps, but destroying Iranian nuclear facilities doesn't require an invasion.

    That seems pretty rational to me. There is a chance that one Iran ships its LEU out, that the world will back out of its end. In fact, I'd argue we SHOULD back out once they send it out of country. Anyone who thinks Iran's government is fanatical is clearly not looking that the facts on the ground.
    Screwing Iran by stealing their fuel once they ship it out would be a horrible idea. It might work now, but we would lose the ability to peacefully resolve any future nuclear programs. That not to mention the severe loss of credibility in pretty much all foreign relations.

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