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Iran Rejects Deal to Ship Out Uranium, Officials Report

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/world/middleeast/30nuke.html?_r=1&hp

Since the world has wasted over 6 years trying to negotiate with fascist murderers, and those murderous criminals - who have slaughtered their own citizens on the street and in their gulags - have refused to participate in the plan offered by the IAEA/UN/EU and US, there is no "diplomacy track" left to go on, as if there ever was one in the first place.

Really, what intelligent person would ever hope to strike a fair bargain with criminals who lie, cheat and steal every day of their lives - plus murder civilians across the globe?

The US, Israel and EU can now safely destroy the iranian government and its nuclear program, leading to complete regime change, as they can easily state that they tried "diplomacy," but the fascists will not give up theri nuclear weapons program.
 
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The apparent rejection of the deal could unwind President Obama’s effort to buy time to resolve the nuclear standoff.

In public, neither the Iranians nor the watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, revealed the details of Iran’s objections, which came only hours after Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, insisted that “we are ready to cooperate” with the West.

This is not good news(says Capt. Obvious). There seems to be fewer and fewer paths to a positive outcome out of this, and some type of military action is becoming more and more likely, much to my dismay.
 
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No one with common sense and a knowledge of history should be surprised by any of this.
 
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The real question is why they rejected it. If it merely is the issue regarding Frances former contract regarding the fuel, that would be a cost worth paying in order to avoid weapons. If it is something else, who knows.
 
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They saw what happened to Iraq.

I don't think so. Khamenei is clearly not worried about invasion, or he wouldn't be allowing the negotiations to break down. Having nuclear weapons keeps you safe, attempting to build them makes you a big fat target.
 
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I don't think so. Khamenei is clearly not worried about invasion, or he wouldn't be allowing the negotiations to break down. Having nuclear weapons keeps you safe, attempting to build them makes you a big fat target.

He knows there isn't going to be an invasion, regardless of what he does. An American invasion of Iran would be a strategic disaster, even if it were politically possible which it isn't. Our military is stretched to the breaking point as is.
 
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Unreasonable and irrational you say?

A senior European official characterized the Iranian response as “basically a refusal.” The Iranians, he said, want to keep all of their lightly enriched uranium in the country until receiving fuel bought from the West for the reactor in Tehran.

That seems pretty rational to me. There is a chance that one Iran ships its LEU out, that the world will back out of its end. In fact, I'd argue we SHOULD back out once they send it out of country. Anyone who thinks Iran's government is fanatical is clearly not looking that the facts on the ground.

Given how Iran's reactor is a light water reactor, we seem to be focusing on the wrong aspect. Let them enrich to 3% all they want. We just want the waste. Plutonium waste is far more useful to a nuclear program that 3% LEU.
 
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If there is to be a war which I seriously doubt I hope Obama and the rest of the politicians stay the hell out of battle plans and decisions other than go win. Otherwise it will be turned into another debacle with a lot of wasted lives for nothing.
Obama is too interested in kissing ass not kicking any. it will fall to Israel to ake out the sites in question and that will lead to a wider mess.
They would have done well to shoot down Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's plane on his way back from the UN last month while it was in mid Atlantic using a missile from a sub. We could have said oh my how awful we'll help with the search for the wreckage. hen make sure none was ever found.
Moammar Gadhafi would made a nice target too.
 
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He knows there isn't going to be an invasion, regardless of what he does. An American invasion of Iran would be a strategic disaster, even if it were politically possible which it isn't. Our military is stretched to the breaking point as is.

Perhaps, but destroying Iranian nuclear facilities doesn't require an invasion.

That seems pretty rational to me. There is a chance that one Iran ships its LEU out, that the world will back out of its end. In fact, I'd argue we SHOULD back out once they send it out of country. Anyone who thinks Iran's government is fanatical is clearly not looking that the facts on the ground.

Screwing Iran by stealing their fuel once they ship it out would be a horrible idea. It might work now, but we would lose the ability to peacefully resolve any future nuclear programs. That not to mention the severe loss of credibility in pretty much all foreign relations.
 
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They would have done well to shoot down Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's plane on his way back from the UN last month while it was in mid Atlantic using a missile from a sub. We could have said oh my how awful we'll help with the search for the wreckage. hen make sure none was ever found.
Moammar Gadhafi would made a nice target too.

Lets not clutter up the threat by responding to this obvious foolishness.
 
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They would have done well to shoot down Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's plane on his way back from the UN last month while it was in mid Atlantic using a missile from a sub. We could have said oh my how awful we'll help with the search for the wreckage. hen make sure none was ever found.

Brilliant plan. But I think the Iranians might have figured it out. :roll:

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Moammar Gadhafi would made a nice target too.

And what would that accomplish? To save time, can you just provide a comprehensive list of all the countries with whom you want to immediately fight a war? And an analysis of where all these extra troops are going to come from?
 
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Perhaps, but destroying Iranian nuclear facilities doesn't require an invasion.

To EFFECTIVELY destroy them requires an invasion. We don't know where they all are...and of the ones that we DO know about, some of them are underground or in the side of a mountain. Not exactly prime bombing targets.

And the logistics of an air-only campaign would be a nightmare. Iraq would never agree to let us base there, Afghanistan and Kuwait are too remote from some of the prime targets, and Israel and Saudi Arabia are too far away in general.
 
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To EFFECTIVELY destroy them requires an invasion.

Not true.

We don't know where they all are

Impossible to know, but we do know the location of many facilities, including those made in secret.

and of the ones that we DO know about, some of them are underground or in the side of a mountain. Not exactly prime bombing targets.

We have powerful munitions designed especially for attacking hardened targets. We can also custom build even more powerful ones if desired.


And the logistics of an air-only campaign would be a nightmare. Iraq would never agree to let us base there, Afghanistan and Kuwait are too remote from some of the prime targets, and Israel and Saudi Arabia are too far away in general.

We have strategic bombers, aerial refueling and carriers. All of Iran is well within range.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/world/middleeast/30nuke.html?_r=1&hp

Since the world has wasted over 6 years trying to negotiate with fascist murderers, and those murderous criminals - who have slaughtered their own citizens on the street and in their gulags - have refused to participate in the plan offered by the IAEA/UN/EU and US, there is no "diplomacy track" left to go on, as if there ever was one in the first place.

Really, what intelligent person would ever hope to strike a fair bargain with criminals who lie, cheat and steal every day of their lives - plus murder civilians across the globe?

The US, Israel and EU can now safely destroy the iranian government and its nuclear program, leading to complete regime change, as they can easily state that they tried "diplomacy," but the fascists will not give up theri nuclear weapons program.

Time for war, you say? Well, go get yourself a gun, find as many like-minded individuals as you can, and go invade Iran.
 
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Iran smells weakness with Obama, and who can blame them. Even FRANCE has criticized Obama for his naive foreign policy stances.

We are officially a joke now. Thank you, far left.
 
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Iran smells weakness with Obama, and who can blame them. Even FRANCE has criticized Obama for his naive foreign policy stances.

We are officially a joke now. Thank you, far left.

What do you want Obama to do?
 
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What do you want Obama to do?
What we always do. Use the Israeli Air Force to bomb the nuclear sites just as we did a few years ago with Syria. Of course, that would necessitate a strong tactical alliance with Israel, which Obama has done extensive damage to in his short time in power.
 
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What we always do. Use the Israeli Air Force to bomb the nuclear sites just as we did a few years ago with Syria.

1) Iran's nuclear program is a lot more advanced than Syria's was.
2) Iran's nuclear program is spread out over thousands of sites, instead of one specific location like Syria's was.
3) Iran's nuclear program contains facilities that are buried in the sides of mountains, unlike Syria which is in the open desert.
4) It's over 1,000 miles from Tel Aviv to Tehran, whereas Syria is adjacent.
 
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In law enforcement they use a tactic they call "tag" in dealing with bad guys all the time as a way to work there way up the food chain to the head bad guy. The same would work on people who send others out to be suicide bomb martyr. You should have noticed you have never hear of the guys at the top ever wanting to visit Allah for a chance at 72 virgins themselves?
By taking out the front man and quietly playing tag with those pulling the strings, you might get better results than talking to idiots. You'll find if you do a bit of research rather than relying on propaganda that most of these religious leaders seldom live the lives they preach and demand of others.

On another note. There is no need to do anything but hit Iran's nuclear sites with over whelming air power and in the process take out a large portion of there offensive military capabilities.

Or you could always just wait until they build a bomb and drop it on Israel which would cost the lives of millions of Iranian civilians who by the way, like the west in the retaliatory strike Israel would surely mount using massive amounts of H-bombs they most certainly have in large numbers and in the process drawing Russia or China or both into a larger war.

You could always just sit back and do nothing in the hope and belief that the hopelessly inept Peace Prize winner Messiah Obama will use his supernatural, miraculous powers to perform an extraordinary miracle of biblical proportions and bring peace a love to the middle east that will last for a thousand years.
 
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1) Iran's nuclear program is a lot more advanced than Syria's was.
2) Iran's nuclear program is spread out over thousands of sites, instead of one specific location like Syria's was.
3) Iran's nuclear program contains facilities that are buried in the sides of mountains, unlike Syria which is in the open desert.
4) It's over 1,000 miles from Tel Aviv to Tehran, whereas Syria is adjacent.
Sounds like we'll have to create a lot of collateral damage then!

Is your philosophy really to sit back as this danger gathers due to the complexity of the task?
 
Did anyone really believe they'd sign it?
 
Did anyone really believe they'd sign it?


Mark this event, on this point I agree. There shouldn't have been any delusion of ones own gut feelings in this whole debacle. If anyone thought that Iran was being even remotely straight up with the past 6 years of pushing forward in regards to their weapons program then I have a bridge to sell them. Further it should be said the the Bush administration severely dropped the ball when it comes to dealing with this mess.


j-mac
 
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Sounds like we'll have to create a lot of collateral damage then!

Is your philosophy really to sit back as this danger gathers due to the complexity of the task?

Yes. Mindless aggression is not a sign of strength. The fact is that we don't have any good options. Ultimately I think we'll have to learn to live with Iran having nukes.

Israel is incapable of ending their program, and the United States has two other fronts at the moment.
 
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What do you want Obama to do?
BTW, when is he going to sit down with ImOnAJihad and reason this all out, like he promised?
 
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