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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Give Israel the go ahead for a full tactical strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and support them with U.S. air refueling tankers and U.S. intelligence.
    This is a cop-out answer for people who want to sound tough without bothering to actually think through the situation. Israel can huff and puff, but they are most certainly not capable of ending Iran's WMD program. They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?
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    Re: Iran Rejects Deal to Ship Out Uranium, Officials Report

    This is a cop-out answer for people who want to sound tough without bothering to actually think through the situation. Israel can huff and puff, but they are most certainly not capable of ending Iran's WMD program. They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?
    Not that I agree with Ferris either, but your military analysis is flawed.

    They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?
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    There is no valid comparison between fighting a skirmish with Hezbollah and fighting a war with Iran in the air. Iran's nuclear sites may number in the thousands (although I'd like a source) but only a few sites need to be destroyed in order to serious set back them back quite a few years. The sole problem is the range and airspace violations needed to get there. As of publicly known data, Israel would have to do some really dangerous aerial re-fueling in order to carry a sufficient payload in required targets. That said, Israel is obviously aware of this fact, and it is unlikely that they don't have some sort of back-up plan in mind. Relying on the fact that Israeli's doesn't have the ability to attack Iran would be a very risky gamble.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The real question is why they rejected it. If it merely is the issue regarding Frances former contract regarding the fuel, that would be a cost worth paying in order to avoid weapons. If it is something else, who knows.
    They're building a bomb and don't want some foreigners controlling their U235 assets.

    Their entire game has been to talk, talk, talk, delay, delay, delay. And it's working.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What do you want Obama to do?
    Unilaterally strike the known Iraqi nuclear weapons facilities and set their program back at least a decade to give the US a chance to flush the turd and get a real president who will deal effectively with Iran and Russia.

    Right now your Messiah is doing exactly what Bush was doing, the wrong thing.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Give Israel the go ahead for a full tactical strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and support them with U.S. air refueling tankers and U.S. intelligence.
    If the US is going to provide logistical support to Isreal, we may as well do the task ourselves and leave Isreal out of it.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is a cop-out answer for people who want to sound tough without bothering to actually think through the situation. Israel can huff and puff, but they are most certainly not capable of ending Iran's WMD program. They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?
    Lol it wasn't a full scale invasion so stuff your revisionist history, it was a half assed, arm tied behind their back invasion that stopped well short of its objectives due to pressure put on them by the international community. Furthermore; on what basis do you assert that there are thousands of nuclear sites? I have heard no analyst ever make that assertion.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Imo we are witnessing the passing of an era, and in some ways, the birth of a new nightmare world. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but it seems to me that North Korea and Iran are working together to make a breakout from the existing nuclear order created by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Imo nuclear weapons technology and ballistic missile technology are spreading, and will continue to spread, despite the NPT regime.

    With the spread of these technologies, sooner or later they will pass into the hands of a political elite in some country prepared to make a first strike. Sooner or later they will be used. Probably in this century.

    I have two sons. They are young men. The world I am bequeathing to them is sadly inferior to the one that passed to me from my father.

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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Unilaterally strike the known Iraqi nuclear weapons facilities
    You mean Iranian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    and set their program back at least a decade to give the US a chance to flush the turd and get a real president who will deal effectively with Iran and Russia.
    And where is the funding going to come from for this new war? Are there any other countries you'd like to start a war with, while we're at it?
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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes. Mindless aggression is not a sign of strength. The fact is that we don't have any good options. Ultimately I think we'll have to learn to live with Iran having nukes.
    The threat of just Iranian nukes has always been overblown by the ignorant and those out for personal gain. The threat of what Iranian nukes will cause in the rest of the Middle East is really what the intelligent people are worried about. A nuclear arms race in arguably the most unstable region on the planet that also provides the lion share of hydrocarbons is pretty much a sh*tstorm waiting to happen.

    Personally, despite the lunatic rantings of people saying Iran's leadership is crazy, nothing supports their rantings. Iran will use its nukes like North Korea, aka, not using them beyond diplomacy and internal domestic legitimacy building. But once Iran gets nukes, you can bet on everyone else in the region trying to get them. The law of large numbers comes up and when you couple that with the general instability of the region, the outcome is almost certainty to be bad.
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    Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

    Personally I always thought that nuking the entire ME and N. Korea would take care of the worlds worst problems. At least in the long run. Might be a real B**** for a few decades, but in the end I think it would be well worth it.

    Of course this will never happen unless someone from one of those countries fires on us first.

    In the mean time I think that the US should just pull every single citizen back into the US and close all borders with the exception of buying needed supplies until we can support ourselves without outside help. Tell the rest of the world to kiss our collective butts.
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