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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i don't know how much more a community organizer from chicago and the ivoried halls of harvard law with very little mind for martial matters might know about the military realities in the mountains on the moon than the careerist soldier who's reached the ranks mcchrystal has

    How about the Secretary of Defense? The JCS? The people whose job it is to advise the president? Those are the ones who are actually crafting the strategy. Obama is responsible for the results, but his ignorance of military matters(like most of the people posting on this) is not the reason for his decision, whatever it might be.
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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    He can post one, but I read this same assertion in several reputable news sources yesterday.
    It's legit.
    Sources close to the President are claiming that he's leaning toward a moderate troop increase, one much smaller than McChrystal is asking for.
    The President, as of yesterday, was insisting that he's made no definite decision on the matter yet.
    And it's retarded, McChrystal the counterinsurgent expert has already calculated the number of troops it will require to provide adequate security and hold territory and yet the Harvard lawyer and 1 year Senator thinks he knows how better to fight a war than the head general that he himself appointed.

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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How about the Secretary of Defense? The JCS? The people whose job it is to advise the president? Those are the ones who are actually crafting the strategy. Obama is responsible for the results, but his ignorance of military matters(like most of the people posting on this) is not the reason for his decision, whatever it might be.
    Obama is getting his advice on Afghanistan from John "war criminal" Kerry. And the idea that the Secretary of Defense or Joint Chiefs know more about what's going on in Afghanistan than the lead General on the ground is ****ing asinine.

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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Tell me what do you think President Obama should do given the current situation?
    Listen to the counterinsurgency expert and lead general in Afghanistan.

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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And it's retarded, McChrystal the counterinsurgent expert has already calculated the number of troops it will require to provide adequate security and hold territory and yet the Harvard lawyer and 1 year Senator thinks he knows how better to fight a war than the head general that he himself appointed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Obama is getting his advice on Afghanistan from John "war criminal" Kerry. And the idea that the Secretary of Defense or Joint Chiefs know more about what's going on in Afghanistan than the lead General on the ground is ****ing asinine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Listen to the counterinsurgency expert and lead general in Afghanistan.
    Again, Gen. McChrystal could be the smartest military expert in the world, but the only thing he has information about is the military situation. Obama has access to everything McChrystal says, as well as all the information from the CIA and State Department.

    Furthermore, you seem to be implying that the military's decision should be final. That's not how the constitution works - we have civilian control of the military for a reason. Pres. Obama's job is to take into account the analysis of the military, the CIA, the State Dept., and the public that elected him. Nobody else has the authority to make that decision.
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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Obama is getting his advice on Afghanistan from John "war criminal" Kerry. And the idea that the Secretary of Defense or Joint Chiefs know more about what's going on in Afghanistan than the lead General on the ground is ****ing asinine.
    Really? You know this how? What meeting have you sat in on?
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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Again, Gen. McChrystal could be the smartest military expert in the world, but the only thing he has information about is the military situation. Obama has access to everything McChrystal says, as well as all the information from the CIA and State Department.
    Lol so now the CIA and State Department specialize in counterinsurgency operations? Um wait no they don't they provide intelligence to those who specialize in counterinsurgency operations. Now you do have the the CIA's Special Activities Division, however, I bet you my bottom dollar that they are telling Obama the exact same thing that McChrystal is and that is we need more 40,000 additional troops in order to provide adequate security and in order to actually hold territory.

    Furthermore, you seem to be implying that the military's decision should be final. That's not how the constitution works - we have civilian control of the military for a reason. Pres. Obama's job is to take into account the analysis of the military, the CIA, the State Dept., and the public that elected him. Nobody else has the authority to make that decision.
    Obama is the CinC but he doesn't know **** about warfighting, the POTUS needs to listen to the Generals on the ground. For example that's why Hitler lost WW2 IE he thought he was a General when the real Generals were demanding that he finish through on Dunkirk with air power to take out the shipping and to finish up in North Africa which would have effectively taken the British out of the war before he set his sites on the Soviets.

    But maybe you're right and FDR not Eishenhower should have lead the battle of D-Day and Bush shouldn't have listened to Petraeus, and Obama shouldn't listen to McChrystal. Brilliant.
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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Lol so now the CIA and State Department specialize in counterinsurgency operations? Um wait no they don't they provide intelligence to those who specialize in counterinsurgency operations. Now you do have the the CIA's Special Activities Division, however, I bet you my bottom dollar that they are telling Obama the exact same thing that McChrystal is and that is we need more 40,000 additional troops in order to provide adequate security and in order to actually hold territory.



    Obama is the CinC but he doesn't know **** about warfighting, the POTUS needs to listen to the Generals on the ground. For example that's why Hitler lost WW2 IE he thought he was a General when the real Generals were demanding that he finish through on Dunkirk with air power to take out the shipping and to finish up in North Africa which would have effectively taken the British out of the war before he set his sites on the Soviets.

    But maybe you're right and FDR not Eishenhower should have lead the battle of D-Day and Bush shouldn't have listened to Petraeus, and Obama shouldn't listen to McChrystal. Brilliant.
    Obama is also considering changing the objective in Afghanistan. McChrystal isn't.

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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Lol so now the CIA and State Department specialize in counterinsurgency operations? Um wait no they don't they provide intelligence to those who specialize in counterinsurgency operations.
    Have you paid attention to the news recently? The CIAs actions in Afghanistan are pretty well developed.

    Now you do have the the CIA's Special Activities Division, however, I bet you my bottom dollar that they are telling Obama the exact same thing that McChrystal is and that is we need more 40,000 additional troops in order to provide adequate security and in order to actually hold territory.
    I bet my bottom dollar that you don't have the slightest idea that the CIA thinks.

    Obama is the CinC but he doesn't know **** about warfighting, the POTUS needs to listen to the Generals on the ground. For example that's why Hitler lost WW2 IE he thought he was a General when the real Generals were demanding that he finish through on Dunkirk with air power to take out the shipping and to finish up in North Africa which would have effectively taken the British out of the war before he set his sites on the Soviets.

    But maybe you're right and FDR not Eishenhower should have lead the battle of D-Day and Bush shouldn't have listened to Petraeus, and Obama shouldn't listen to McChrystal. Brilliant.
    Obama's job is to take the advice of his generals under consideration. The military does not make its own decisions.

    If 95% of the country wanted to pull out of Afghanistan but the generals wanted to stay, should we have to stay?
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    Re: Obama Reportedly Eyeing "McChrystal Lite"

    This makes no sense to me.

    McChrystal says we need 40,000 troops to maintain an effective CI campaign in Afghanistan and Obama considers sending roughly half?

    The only explaination for this is that Obama's advisors think McChrystal is wrong and that the same objective can be accomplished with less troops; I don't see that as being likely.

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