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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    The centerpiece of the bill is government-run insurance that could cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their private coverage

    Onerous regulations on the private insurance market that will force individuals to purchase coverage through the government-run exchange

    Trillions in new federal spending that will explode the deficit and imperil long-term budget solvency

    Taxes on all Americans: individuals who purchase insurance, individuals who do not purchase insurance and millions of small businesses

    Cuts to Medicare Advantage that could result in higher premiums and dropped coverage for more than 10 million seniors

    The bill is 1,990 pages long

    $200 billion additional spending in a separate 13-page bill to handle the "doc fix." Adding this spending to the overall bill breaks Obama's promise to the American people not to sign a deficit-increasing bill.

    Page 1515 - Regulation of vending machines, to ensure everyone can see the nutrition labels on items before purchasing their food

    The bill omits original draft language ensuring "that essential benefits coverage does not lead to rationing of health care." In other words, there is no longer a clear prohibition on the federal government rationing health care

    Nearly all of the additional coverage comes from a huge Medicaid expansion, which will further imperil states' budgets.* Medicaid covers low-income Americans and states must provide a match to receive federal funding.

    Employer Mandate Tax: If an employer does not pay 72.5 percent of a single employee's health premium, the employer must pay an excise tax equal to 8 percent of average wages.* Small employers (measured by payroll size) have smaller payroll tax rates of 0 percent (<$500,000), 2 percent ($500,000-$585,000), 4 percent ($585,000-$670,000), and 6 percent ($670,000-$750,000).*
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    Individual Mandate Surtax: If an individual fails to obtain qualifying coverage, he or she must pay an income surtax 2.5 percent of adjusted gross income.

    Denial of Tax Deduction for Employer Health Plans Coordinating with Medicare Part D (Page 327): This would further erode private sector participation in delivery of Medicare services.

    Surtax on Individuals and Small Businesses: Imposes an income surtax of 5.4 percent on MAGI over $500,000 ($1 million married filing jointly).

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Crunch,

    Just curious...from where did you copy-n-paste commentary for your post?

    (I know you haven't read the bill for yourself; it just got published yesterday. So, can we stop with the talking points and tell me what you really know about it?)
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 10-29-09 at 07:03 PM.

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Crunch,

    Just curious...from where did you copy-n-paste commentary for your post?

    (I know you haven't read the bill for yourself; it just got published yesterday. So, can we stop with the talking points and tell me what you really know about it?)
    Americans For Prosperity - Oregon • PO Box 130 • Sublimity, OR 97385 • Phone: 541.729.6229

    By all means, feel free to refute anything you think is false.
    Last edited by Crunch; 10-29-09 at 07:26 PM.

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Why would they let just anyone into the ceremony? If they did, some people would be drowning out the place with yelling and disruptions, as would be the case with any bill. No politician would willingly let detractors into the place. :P
    Whether they want to let us in or not, I think they should be forced to. We elect them, they vote on bills that affect us, and we pay them. We should have every right to observe every step of the process.

    “Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” ~George Bernard Shaw

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I hoped you were joking, but I knew you weren't. In fact, you were rounding down. It's closer to 2,000 pages.

    I swear if I ever become Senator I will make an oath to never vote for a bill beyond a certain length. I'd probably have to go for something like 500 pages; that's considered "small" nowadays....

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I hoped you were joking, but I knew you weren't. In fact, you were rounding down. It's closer to 2,000 pages.

    I swear if I ever become Senator I will make an oath to never vote for a bill beyond a certain length. I'd probably have to go for something like 500 pages; that's considered "small" nowadays....
    These monolithic bills are ridiculous, and they're currently getting in the way of progress. Passing one and only one humongous bill means that in order to enact the noncontroversial reforms Congress needs to gain enough support to pass the very controversial reforms. If we were debating the individual merits of a dozen or so bills related to healthcare reform the process would be less polarizing, faster for the majority of programs, and we might just end up with something that doesn't end up pissing off half the nation

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch View Post
    Whether they want to let us in or not, I think they should be forced to. We elect them, they vote on bills that affect us, and we pay them. We should have every right to observe every step of the process.
    Well that's like saying anyone and everyone should have access to enter the White House, but that's not reality. There are security risks and dangers. I would agree with you if this were an ideal world.

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Well that's like saying anyone and everyone should have access to enter the White House, but that's not reality. There are security risks and dangers. I would agree with you if this were an ideal world.
    No, really, it's not like that at all.

    I'm not talking about open access to their offices, or ignoring any sense of security. I am talking about disallowing Congress from holding ceremonies or votes that are closed to the public. Sure, pat down and scan the people who want to attend, but Congress' work should be out in the open. They work for us, not the other way around.

    “Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.” ~George Bernard Shaw

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    Re: House health bill ceremony closed to public

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Well that's like saying anyone and everyone should have access to enter the White House, but that's not reality. There are security risks and dangers. I would agree with you if this were an ideal world.
    Video Cameras don't kill people.
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