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    Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you - BostonHerald.com

    Thousands of state inmates will get coveted swine-flu vaccinations weeks before law-abiding Bay Staters - who foot the bill for prisons - have a shot at protecting themselves, state public health officials have decided.

    The prison pampering has one lawmaker questioning the con-voluted flu preparation.

    I can think of a number of populations that are more needy and vulnerable than prisoners, said state Sen. Mark Montigny (D-New Bedford), who co-chairs the legislative committee on public health.
    Or is the Boston Herald not big enough for this forum, if so move it to 2.0. Looks like it's not just Texas this is happening, and I happen to agree with the State Sen on this one.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

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    Or is the Boston Herald not big enough for this forum, if so move it to 2.0. Looks like it's not just Texas this is happening, and I happen to agree with the State Sen on this one.
    Do you know how hard it would be to contain the spread of swine flu in a prison?

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Do you know how hard it would be to contain the spread of swine flu in a prison?
    I don't really care to be honest.

    Limited amount of a vaccine, I give it to productive, law abiding members of society first, not second behind criminals.

    Is that mean to the prisoners... yeah I suppose so. But frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't really care to be honest.

    Limited amount of a vaccine, I give it to productive, law abiding members of society first, not second behind criminals.

    Is that mean to the prisoners... yeah I suppose so. But frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
    It's far easier to isolate and treat individual cases of swine flue amongst vulnerable demographics than it is to quarantine and treat an entire prison because the population has swine flu. Do you have any idea how much money that would cost in terms of enforcement and medical care? It's simply a matter of practicality.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It's far easier to isolate and treat individual cases of swine flue amongst vulnerable demographics than it is to quarantine and treat an entire prison because the population has swine flu. Do you have any idea how much money that would cost in terms of enforcement and medical care? It's simply a matter of practicality.
    It's simply a matter of protecting those that have earned and deserve protection over those that do not.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's simply a matter of protecting those that have earned and deserve protection over those that do not.
    Nobody has "earned" anything by virtue of managing to not be in prison. The government is the one paying for the swine flu vaccine, it is responsible for protecting public health, and it will have to deal with any eventual outbreaks. If the government concludes that it's most effective to provide the vaccines to pregnant people and children, it can do so. If it decides to include elderly or nursing home patients, it can do so. if it decides to include doctors, teachers, bank tellers, or prisoners, it can do so.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Nobody has "earned" anything by virtue of managing to not be in prison. The government is the one paying for the swine flu vaccine, it is responsible for protecting public health, and it will have to deal with any eventual outbreaks. If the government concludes that it's most effective to provide the vaccines to pregnant people and children, it can do so. If it decides to include elderly or nursing home patients, it can do so. if it decides to include doctors, teachers, bank tellers, or prisoners, it can do so.
    Someone believes in Government saves us all don't they... oh yes they do, it's YOU!


    Anyway, the discussion is on a vaccine that's SCARCE being provided to prison inmates over the rest of society.

    Not the greatness that is government saving us. You can start that thread if you wish.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Is it cheaper to vaccinate a prisoner for swine flu, or to treat them for swine flu?

    I think vaccinating prisoners is probably a net gain as far as taxpayer's cost. The vaccine is cheap.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's simply a matter of protecting those that have earned and deserve protection over those that do not.
    So, you'd rather thousands of prisoners get swine flu than have to treat four or five serious cases in free society? Have you considered the fact that:

    People get out of prison everyday.

    People work at prisons, and those people have families.

    Prisons are extremely dangerous and difficult to manage WITHOUT a swine flu pandemic.

    The medical costs associated with treating thousands of prisoners for swine flu would be enormous.

    The logistical and operational complications of treating and quarantining thousands of prisoners.

    None of that concerns you?

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, you'd rather thousands of prisoners get swine flu than have to treat four or five serious cases in free society? Have you considered the fact that:

    People get out of prison everyday.

    People work at prisons, and those people have families.

    Prisons are extremely dangerous and difficult to manage WITHOUT a swine flu pandemic.

    The medical costs associated with treating thousands of prisoners for swine flu would be enormous.

    The logistical and operational complications of treating and quarantining thousands of prisoners.

    None of that concerns you?
    How many prisoners have swine flu? How many outbreaks in prisons have been reported?

    Can't think of any off the top of my head, I CAN however think of a number of school outbreaks on the top of my head... but hey, what if a bunch of convicts got swine flu, ZOMG!

    Better treat them before we treat law abiding folks, what if....
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