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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Isn't this Swine Flu vaccine obamination proof positive of what government health care would be like? Last March, didn't they promise us 40 million vaccines?

    I mean, it's not like they didn't have any warning this was coming. We've been hearing about it for over a year now.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

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    Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you - BostonHerald.com



    Or is the Boston Herald not big enough for this forum, if so move it to 2.0. Looks like it's not just Texas this is happening, and I happen to agree with the State Sen on this one.
    It's cheaper to inoculate them than to treat an outbreak in a prison.

    Simple economics, sport.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I don't really care to be honest.

    Limited amount of a vaccine, I give it to productive, law abiding members of society first, not second behind criminals.

    Is that mean to the prisoners... yeah I suppose so. But frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
    You are forgetting, though, that an outbreak of swine flu in a prison won't affect ONLY the prisoners. It will affect "law abiding members of society" as well.

    Guards.
    Teachers.
    Maintenance workers.
    Food service workers.
    Police.
    Lawyers.
    Visiting family members (including small children).
    etc.

    There are more law-abiding people coming and going through prisons than you realize. If you don't act in a proactive way to ward off an outbreak in a prison setting you are putting a great number of people (and the families and communities of those law-abiding people) at risk.

    Yes, it is very important to give swine flu immunizations to prison inmates.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Prisoners get all kinds of medical treatment that other Americans don't have the government pay for. They get a gold standard of care, all at taxpayer expense. That, in fact, is one argument in favor of a national health system.
    I don't know which state you are referring to with this "gold standard," but it is far from universal. Most prisoners get relatively poor treatment, due to lack of funding, lack of willing medical personal (who can earn more money in the private sector), lack of ability to freely transfer a sick patient to a better doctor elsewhere, and lack of ability of the guards to adequately determine and report illnesses of inmates.

    Trust me on this one, prison health care is far from a "gold standard." If THAT is what we have to look forward to with Obamacare, then I'm scared.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    I just wish they'd go ahead and give the vaccine to service members, too.
    Everybody at my son's base was supposed to be vaccinated before the end of October.
    Now, thanks to shortages, they're shooting for sometime in December.
    These young men are living in much the same crowded conditions that make prisoners especially vulnerable.
    If prisoners need priority vaccination, then so does the army, one would think.

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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Nobody has "earned" anything by virtue of managing to not be in prison. The PEOPLE ARE the one paying for the swine flu vaccine, it is responsible for protecting public health, and it will have to deal with any eventual outbreaks. If the government concludes that it's most effective to provide the vaccines to pregnant people and children, it can do so. If it decides to include elderly or nursing home patients, it can do so. if it decides to include doctors, teachers, bank tellers, or prisoners, it can do so.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Someone believes in Government saves us all don't they... oh yes they do, it's YOU!


    Anyway, the discussion is on a vaccine that's SCARCE being provided to prison inmates over the rest of society.

    Not the greatness that is government saving us. You can start that thread if you wish.
    Mr. V:

    Let me add a few notes to the discussion here.

    1) If there is a swine flu outbreak in a prison, it will cost a hell of a lot more to treat all the patients than if vaccinations had been given instead. Since you care about wasteful spending, I thought you might be open to an idea that would end up taking less money out of your pocket.

    2) And, if the swine flu strikes a prison, guess who else comes down with it? The families of the prisoners, who spread it around outside the prison, after visiting day. Treating the prisoners eliminates an avenue where the illness can spread, thus fewer people come down with it. And face it - If fewer people are getting swine flu, because one of it's conduits for spreading has been closed, then fewer resources end up being used, less tax money is ultimately spent, and lives are even saved.

    3) I know you don't like the idea of prisoners being vaccinated, but look at the big picture. It isn't just about the prisoners. It is about a very major health risk to the entire community, and we must do what we must do to alleviate the problem, even if some of the steps involved do not appeal to everybody. To do otherwise would be just plain malfeasance. I don't know about you, but if personnel in MY community acted this incompetently, and allowed something like the swine flu to spread, due to their opposition to who was recommended to receive the vaccine, and if people died, especially children, because of their malfeasance, I would be calling for them to be fired.

    It might be a controversial step to take, but it was the right one, due to the reasons I laid out above.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you - BostonHerald.com



    Or is the Boston Herald not big enough for this forum, if so move it to 2.0. Looks like it's not just Texas this is happening, and I happen to agree with the State Sen on this one.
    well if you want it you know where to get the shot i guess.
    i wouldn't get near that shot.
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    Re: Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Prisoners to get precious swine flu shots before you - BostonHerald.com



    Or is the Boston Herald not big enough for this forum, if so move it to 2.0. Looks like it's not just Texas this is happening, and I happen to agree with the State Sen on this one.
    You really think you need a swine flu shot?

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