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    Re: John Kerry's Afghan war speech; Foreshadowing Obama's decision?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, a strategy should be adopted only after a thoughtful and rigorous process. Difficult questions should be raised and addressed.

    Although there is reasonable consensus that more manpower is needed, there remains considerable disagreement concerning the aims of a new strategy and the extent of additional manpower required. A full discussion needs to examine, among other things, the past experiences concerning Czarist, British, and Soviet forces in Afghanistan, the failure of earlier "surges" to bring about a stable outcome, and Afghanistan's historically decentralized framework in which tribal leaders/local institutions play a larger role than its central government. Additional relevant matters concern the current situation where corruption, cronyism, and incompetence in Kabul have created a de facto political vacuum in what still amounts to a failed state, the lack of institutional development that further hobbles Afghanistan's governance, and the absence of a viable economic framework that would contribute to a rising living standard.

    The reality is that additional manpower alone--unless the number is overwhelming (several hundred thousand additional troops, not approximately 40,000)--will not likely bring about a rapid onset of stability. Meaningful progress on the security front will require an alignment of security, political, economic, and institutional objectives and very close coordination of those functions. Success will depend on gaining and sustaining the political support of a substantial majority of Afghanistan's people and cooperation of a majority of its tribal leaders.

    Questions that need to be answered before a decision is made include:

    1. Why haven't the previous troop surges proved effective?
    2. Why did the military planners fail to foresee how events unfolded to date?
    3. Given the above-listed shortcomings and the historic experience concering past outside forces in Afghanistan, why should one be confident that this time will be different?
    4. What objective measures are currently available to show that the overwhelming majority of Afghans will support the new strategy and what are the vast majority of Afghans seeking in such a plan?
    5. Who are the key tribal leaders whose efforts will be leveraged in implementing the plan and how reliable have they been in the past?
    6. What local institutions will be relied upon to complement the efforts of the additional troops?
    7. What can be done to rapidly build a dependable and competent Afghan security force (if that's feasible) or, if necessary, competent regional security forces to augment the security effort of a new U.S. strategy?
    8. What are the five scenarios that could most compromise achieving the security efforts and what measures would be taken under such circumstances with a high probability of success of overcoming such contingencies?
    9. What are the concrete measures against which progress will be evaluated, what specific goals does the plan seek to fulfill and over what timeline?
    10. What resources will be required (human, financial, weapons, etc.)?

    The consequences of failure are high. The stakes range from wider and greater regional instability, which could have regional political/balance of power/nuclear proliferation implications, diminished U.S. credibility, and possibly the widespread "Talibanization" of parts of central Asia.

    Considering that the earlier military strategies and previous troop surges in Afghanistan did not succeed, there should be a healthy skepticism under which military planners are asked to credibly demonstrate that a new strategy really has a high prospect of success. In that context, no prospective plan or concept should receive automatic endorsement. All serious plans should be subjected to a thorough review. Difficult questions need to be raised and answered before any strategic decision is made.

    During that time, attempts to exploit the current situation to gain political or partisan advantage should be avoided. Politicization can only complicate an already difficult and complex challenge. Worse, it can undermine prospects of developing a credible and effective strategy.
    But, but, our afghanistan strategy was already adopted by obama back in march.


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    .....Unfolding a new US strategy to defeat Taliban and Al-Qaeda, Obama said Pakistan must be ’stronger partner’ in destroying Al-Qaeda safe havens. In this connection, he said Pakistan would be provided financial assistance of 1.5 billion dollars each year for the next five years.

    However, he said US would not provide a blank cheque to Pakistan “as they also needed to prove their commitment in war against terror.”

    President Obama warned the situation in Afghanistan is increasingly perilous. He said he would plunge 4,000 more US troops into the unfinished war, triple US aid to Pakistan to 7.5 billion dollars over five years, attempt to peel away more moderate Taliban factions and lead a global civilian surge to Afghanistan.

    “Attacks against our troops, our NATO allies, and the Afghan government have risen steadily. Most painfully, 2008 was the deadliest year of the war for American forces.”

    “I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat Al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan and to prevent their return to either country in the future,” Obama said.....

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    Re: John Kerry's Afghan war speech; Foreshadowing Obama's decision?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Because you KNOW war? Because you could win the fight? You don't have the political will to win the fight in afghanistan, you don't have the will to take the gloves off to the extent that you could win. The things that you would have to do to win would turn this planet against you. If you aren't for a just war, then you're a savage in your own book.



    Resource management? The gov't gets a blank check for wars but when it comes to saving the economy a bailout is causing some sortof anti-socialist uproar of fox news rush limbaugh brain dead chest thumping jingo backlash?



    Limits on targets the issue? The result of what you're implying is genocide. If the people of other nations do not bow to you're will you simply eliminate them? Given there is a civilian security issue with this war which is why I support our involvement. And your answer is more firepower to a political war?



    WTF do you know? WTF are you going to tell me when I've heard US soldiers say themselves that they joined for a license to kill? You don't speak for our soldiers. I don't speak for them either. You know as well as I do when we invaded afghanistan they were probably looking for a fight.

    Hell, bring stalin back from the grave and organize a system of internment labor camps to fuel their economy thatd ****in win. You wanna win afghanistan, its the graveyard of empires for a couple millenia, look to stalin hell show you the ****in way to conquer a people.

    Seriously, all you folks on the right have got at the moment is 'killem harder' you contribute nothing to this war except for that. You have no concept of what victory or the means to it would entail.

    Kepp watchin glenn beck, because everyone who doesn't agree with you is a secret communist. I hope he inspires you to enjoy all your rights to be ignorant and go protest this unicorn magical fantasmical government which possesses the ability to be fascist and communist at the same time. As for me I enjoy the fact that your side is now so politically insane it is considered a threat to the state. As if they don't watch domestic chatter nowadays.
    We understand that you wanted us to lose in Vietnam, we understand that you wanted us to lose in Iraq, and we understand that you now want us to lose in Afghanistan and are doing everything in your power to bring that about. Obama is just as responsible for the death of our soldiers in Afghanistan who don't have the numbers to provide for security that are needed as the Taliban who are killing them. Obama is murdering U.S. soldiers by the dozens every week with his inaction, and it is sickening and treasonous.

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    Re: John Kerry's Afghan war speech; Foreshadowing Obama's decision?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    We understand that you wanted us to lose in Vietnam, we understand that you wanted us to lose in Iraq, and we understand that you now want us to lose in Afghanistan and are doing everything in your power to bring that about. Obama is just as responsible for the death of our soldiers in Afghanistan who don't have the numbers to provide for security that are needed as the Taliban who are killing them. Obama is murdering U.S. soldiers by the dozens every week with his inaction, and it is sickening and treasonous.
    Whut?

    I'm for military intervention in afghanistan.

    What are you talking about?

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