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Texas Convicts Could Get H1N1 Vaccine First

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OUTRAGE: Texas Convicts Could Get H1N1 Vaccine First

Prison officials in Texas said they need 158,000 doses of the H1N1 vaccine to protect inmates and corrections officers, according to the Austin American-Statesman.

And the prisoners could get the swine flu shots before the general public, the newspaper said.
Prison officials in the story said giving the vaccine to inmates first would follow guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on which people should receive priority when supplies of the vaccine are scarce.

"We have a number of the high-risk groups in prisons: pregnant women, people with immune deficiencies, with other serious health issues," said Michelle Lyons, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. "In some respects, we're like a nursing home or a college dorm. If the flu were to get started in this environment, it could spread quickly."
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Texas Convicts Could Get H1N1 Vaccine First - Health News Story - WPTZ Plattsburgh

... seriously? Prison inmates?

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Re: OUTRAGE: Prison Inmates to Get Priority in Swine Flu Vaccine

Close confined quarters can spread disease a lot faster. So there's probably higher risk in a prison that general public that if it broke out it would potentially spread faster. But in the end, I don't care cause I ain't getting vaccinated against the flu. If I get it, fine; I'm out for a day or two. Big whoop.
 
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I'd rather protect law abiding productive members of society.

But that's crazy talk.
 
Re: OUTRAGE: Prison Inmates to Get Priority in Swine Flu Vaccine

MrVicchio said:
News Radio 1200 WOAI San Antonio Texas

... seriously? Prison inmates?
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Considering they are in daily contact with thousands of mostly undocumented visitors who go home and would infect the rest of the population this seems like a matter of containment of one of the most likely sources.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I'd rather protect law abiding productive members of society.

But that's crazy talk.
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Meh...most people will be in an environment which can in some way mitigate probabilities. Prisons are a lot harder because of the cluster of people you have around and their restricted movements.

I'd rather people didn't freak out over the flu, but apparently that's crazy talk.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I'd rather protect law abiding productive members of society.

But that's crazy talk.
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in this case it just makes sense to vaccinate the prisoners.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I'd rather protect law abiding productive members of society.

But that's crazy talk.
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Prisoners are at higher risk than the average person.
 
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Kandahar said:
Prisoners are at higher risk than the average person.
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Yes, but the vaccine is scarce. Law abiding citizens, older people, young children have to wait while criminals get the vaccine. I find that patently offensive.
 
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MrVicchio said:
Yes, but the vaccine is scarce. Law abiding citizens, older people, young children have to wait while criminals get the vaccine. I find that patently offensive.
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And you clearly have not understood who the vulnerable people are when it comes to swine flu.
 
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liblady said:
you would rather spend the money to care for those inmates who develop the flu? it would spread like wildfire in a prison.
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Just think of the money we would save if half of them died.
 
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PeteEU said:
And you clearly have not understood who the vulnerable people are when it comes to swine flu.
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You are SOOO RIGHT!

Kids under 5 have been at higher risk of swine flu complications. Those with asthma are, of course, at particularly high risk. So are kids with medical conditions -- such as diabetes -- that put adults at higher risk from flu.

One group of children and teens faces an unusual risk: those under age 19 who must take long-term aspirin therapy. Aspirin is a dangerous drug for people who have the flu, as it raises a person's risk of a dangerous complication called Reye's syndrome.

Adults at 'Higher Risk' From Swine Flu
As noted above, pregnancy, lung diseases, and older age put adults at higher risk of swine flu complications.
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Swine Flu: Pregnancy and Other High Risks
 
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Kandahar said:
Prisoners are at higher risk than the average person.
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And it is the perfect place for a virus to mutate.
 
Re: OUTRAGE: Prison Inmates to Get Priority in Swine Flu Vaccine

Originally Posted by liblady View Post
you would rather spend the money to care for those inmates who develop the flu? it would spread like wildfire in a prison.
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Just think of the money we would save if half of them died.
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Texas does have the death penalty, after all. :devil:
 
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MrVicchio said:
You are SOOO RIGHT!


Swine Flu: Pregnancy and Other High Risks
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You stated and I quote.

Yes, but the vaccine is scarce. Law abiding citizens, older people, young children have to wait while criminals get the vaccine. I find that patently offensive.
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Law abiding citizens are not on the list you just posted. Children are so you got that right and in part the "older people". You left out anyone with the complications that mostly cause death, such as lung diseases. That can be anyone, old or young, law abiding citizen or not.

While I find it offensive too that criminals should get it before me (since I am not in the risk groups), I also understand fully that they should. Having prisons with massive sickness is not exactly a good thing. They would become breeding grounds that could easily spread out, be hard to stop and would cause panic and riots in said prisons.

Plus I highly doubt that anyone would give an inmate a flu shot over a child or a pregnant woman or anyone with high risk.
 
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apdst said:
Just think of the money we would save if half of them died.
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So you think that someone doing a twelve-month stint in prison for stealing a car is worthy of the death penalty. Got it. :roll:
 
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Kandahar said:
So you think that someone doing a twelve-month stint in prison for stealing a car is worthy of the death penalty. Got it. :roll:
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And you think someone in prison deserves a scarce vaccine before a child, got it.
 
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MrVicchio said:
And you think someone in prison deserves a scarce vaccine before a child, got it.
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Children are ALSO a high-risk, priority group. The article does not say anything about inmates receiving vaccines ahead of OTHER priority groups. They're just receiving the vaccine ahead of low-risk, healthy adults who AREN'T in a confined space with rampant disease.
 
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Kandahar said:
So you think that someone doing a twelve-month stint in prison for stealing a car is worthy of the death penalty. Got it. :roll:
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No, but if the loser catches swine flu and dies, I'm sure as hell not going to shed any tears for him.

Look at it this way, if half the prison population died from swine flu, the Liberals whine about how many people are in prison.

If it weren't for uninsured folks already getting priority over everyone else, this wouldn't look like just more political correctness run amuck.
 
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1 Easy Target said:
If it was my car......

Without my car, there is no way to get to work. I don't have enough savings to go buy another one just because someone thought they needed it more than I did. Two weeks of not working would cause me to miss a house payment. Once you miss a house payment, you have to have enough money to make up that payment, the penalties and the current payment. This is often enough to cause a person to lose their home. If I were to lose my home, I would have to leave the area because rents have increased in the years since I started paying for my house to be higher than the payments are.

Yes, I would have to say it is deserving of the death penalty in those circumstances. Or at least allow me 10 unsupervised minutes in a closed room with no cameras with him.
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rent a car perhaps? Just sayin' :roll:
 
Re: OUTRAGE: Prison Inmates to Get Priority in Swine Flu Vaccine

If they're disposable and we don't care about their lives, then we should sentence them to death in the first place-- not sentence them to a definite or indefinite prison term and then take a callous attitude to their health. Especially when the health issue in question is communicable diseases that, allowed to run rampant in the prison population, will contribute to the rates of infection in the "law-abiding citizens" that you claim to care about.

It's one thing to be cavalier about the lives of criminals. Never catch me up in arms about that. But it's another thing to allow your emotions to overwhelm your good sense and promote bad policies that will lead to greater costs, in economic and human terms, in the long run.

Prisoners don't get priority for vaccines because they deserve it. They get priority because prisons are breeding grounds for diseases that can and will spread to civilian populations if left unchecked; prisoners are not the only people in prison, and not the only people exposed to disease in prison. Prison employees are law-abiding citizens by default, and they get to go home to their law-abiding families every night.

You want to just put a bullet in their heads and burn the corpses? I'm right there with you. But exposing law-abiding civilians to increased risk of disease and death because of what you think prisoners "deserve" is irrational.
 
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1 Easy Target said:
If it was my car......

Without my car, there is no way to get to work. I don't have enough savings to go buy another one just because someone thought they needed it more than I did. Two weeks of not working would cause me to miss a house payment. Once you miss a house payment, you have to have enough money to make up that payment, the penalties and the current payment. This is often enough to cause a person to lose their home. If I were to lose my home, I would have to leave the area because rents have increased in the years since I started paying for my house to be higher than the payments are.

Yes, I would have to say it is deserving of the death penalty in those circumstances. Or at least allow me 10 unsupervised minutes in a closed room with no cameras with him.
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it's not his fault that you don't have enough savvy to save your money like a contributing citizen. deal with it. after all, don't people who lose their houses DESERVE to lose them? why did you buy something you couldn't afford?
 
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liblady said:
it's not his fault that you don't have enough savvy to save your money like a contributing citizen. deal with it. after all, don't people who lose their houses DESERVE to lose them? why did you buy something you couldn't afford?
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So you are okay with people stealing cars and place blame for any results on the victim of the theft. Nice. I love the compassion from you, Liblady.

So that explains why the left is not mad at Barney Franks for his roll in the mortgage crisis. Sure he blocked any attempts to fix the problem before it was unrecoverable, but it's not his fault that people had mortgages. If you lose your house because the market collapsed, it's on you. If your business fails because your customers went out of business when the economy collapsed, it is all on you and no blame is placed on the people who caused the problem in the first place.

Limousine Liberals. Go figure. :roll:
 
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