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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    An accusation of an event does not qualify as proof of that event.


    Yes... and I asked you to show that to be true.


    The claim is that airstrikes from unmanned aircraft are killing civilians in numbers far larger than legitimate targets. That claim needs to be supported before there is any discussion as to what needs to be done about it.

    And, as I and others have asked over and over -- what does the delivery platform have to do with it? Why are unmanned drones being singled out?
    Those reports I believe are filed, on behalf of the Pakistan government. It's why I think this all became an issue in the first place.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You'd have a stronger case had we a Declaration of war instead of authorization to deploy troops.
    Define the difference.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why would we be killing people who are no threat to us?
    Their proximity to legitimate targets?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, you demonstrated that you assign higher value to civillians killed by RPV than civillians killed by F-18.

    That's either completely ignorant of you, or totally strange.
    No, you're trying to confuse matters. The contention is that the usage of drones has resulted in unacceptable civilian casualty with limited success in targeting actual terrorists. The other crap is just deflect. It's not really good to kill any civilian, be it from a plane, bomb vest, or captured alien technology. Apparently, drones in particular have a bad record with civilian to terrorist ratio.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The Declaration of War officially puts us at war and authorizes use of military as well as supersedes other treaty. As I said, you'd have a stronger case if we had an official Declaration of War.
    So, the Congress authorizing the use of military force doesn't put us at war?

    How about when the nation we're deploying troops to has already murdered three thousand US citizens and foreign nationals on our soil?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Their proximity to legitimate targets?
    Yet that's part of the contention, is it not? That we use the drones to go into places, bomb ****, and pretty much do nothing but hit civilians. Maybe it does warrant some investigation and data on the matter. Just maybe.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Show this to be true


    Show this to be true.


    How would it be any "better" -- in terms of the 'legal' argument under discussion -- if the unmanned drones were replaced with manned aircraft?
    Drone attacks in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And im not so much suggesting maned aircraft as helping the Pakistanis deal with the situation.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those reports I believe are filed, on behalf of the Pakistan government. It's why I think this all became an issue in the first place.
    So you have no direct evisence to back the assertion, only that which is assumed because of the existence of an accusation.

    Given that, there's nothing to duscuss, as the basis for the conversation cannot be confirmed.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, you're trying to confuse matters.
    No. You're already confused.

    You think people dead by RPV are more important than if they were killed by an F-18.

    Explain how the technology makes any difference to the bleeding dying terrorists on the ground.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, the Congress authorizing the use of military force doesn't put us at war?

    How about when the nation we're deploying troops to has already murdered three thousand US citizens and foreign nationals on our soil?
    I though civilian casualty was of little concern? The Declaration of War has many benefits to supersede treaty and some amount of international law. Functional and legal definitions are different.
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