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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, try reading the friggin' post, then spending a couple years thinking about it before you admit that have no clue what was said.

    To paraphrase the great philosopher Archie Bunker, would it make a difference if they were shot by RPV's or F-18s, or if we threw them out the window?

    If yes, explain.

    Try to make sense if you attempt this task.
    So dumb deflect is all you have left. K, noted.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So....ummm.....you think it's cool to run around bombing civilian populations and targets with no real affect towards our own safety (well no real positive affect that is)? Interesting.
    Yes, very interesting that you can't read posts and respond to what they say but merely respond to what you wish was said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I care because I don't think the United States should run around killing civilians.
    I think the US should kill terrorists.

    Since terrorists are civillians, I've no problem with the US killing civillians.

    Also, the Taliban hangs out in areas where ...ummm....this might be too complicated for the level of intellectual ability you've shown so far.... where the natives support the Taliban.

    Welcome to war. People die in war, even people who aren't in uniform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe that's just me, my morals coming through there. But it seems counter-productive and unjust to run around killing people just cause we can.
    My morals say that if an American can sit safely back in the rear with the beer and the gear and STILL kill the enemy, it's not only moral for him to do so, it's the preferred mode of offense.

    My morals were shaped by actually being a US military vet.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So dumb deflect is all you have left. K, noted.
    In other words, you're incapable of understanding the topic and are just spamming.

    Thanks for the confession.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    My morals were shaped by actually being a US military vet.
    Then you should know better than to take the deaths of civilians so lightly.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So dumb deflect is all you have left. K, noted.
    Just walk away. You can't fix stupid no matter how hard you argue.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Indeed. If we were so rich in disposable fanatics and so poor in equipment that suicide vests made strategic sense for our forces, I would probably be advocating them-- or at least defending their use. Certainly don't fault the enemy for using the best tactics at his disposal.
    Some of those against the UN here definitely decry the use of terrorist bombings. As well they should. They are not concerned with civilian casualty and it's not a good thing. But these same people will make differentiation if the bomb is dropped from a plane rather than detonated from a vest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes, but that argument doesn't make sense. If we have and use precision weapons, why would we be wasting the bullets to use them against people who are not a threat to us?
    Why would we be killing people who are no threat to us?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's the same problem as every other guerrilla war, and the reason why guerrilla tactics are so effective against enemies with the need to preserve their public image. Noone can tell the difference between civilians and combatants-- so the military is compelled to employ "better safe than sorry" tactics and the guerrillas claim that anyone whose corpse isn't still clutching a weapon was a civilian.
    Indeed, it's one of the hardest aspects about this war in fact. Which is why the best impact is on public image. If we can subvert and destroy the propaganda used against us; we'd go a lot farther is solving the problem than we would by bombing a bunch of civilians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Personally, I'd be fully in favor of committing genocide by air strike if our "allies" weren't a bunch of damned hypocrites-- no offense intended, our own government is just as bad-- and our civilians weren't completely spineless.
    Personally, I'd be in full favor of keeping our nose out of other people's business. But if you're going to go to war, this half assed crap that we've been doing, not addressing the base problems, isn't the way to go about it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    In other words, you're incapable of understanding the topic and are just spamming.

    Thanks for the confession.
    No I responded just fine. You seem to be incapable of engaging in intellectually honest debate and instead had resorted to smear and dismissal. Fine, I noted it. Your failure is not my fault.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The contention is that the use of unmanned drones has caused significant civilian casualty, not that the base use of them is wrong or illegal.
    Again, explain what difference it makes if they're killed by RPV or by F-18, or by high-altitude air strike from a B-52, where the pilot can't even see the people on the ground.

    You're making a distinction where there is no difference.

    Why are you doing this?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the basis of the contention.
    An accusation of an event does not qualify as proof of that event.

    The arguments from Pakistan and the complaints are all about how civilians have taken the brunt of the damage.
    Yes... and I asked you to show that to be true.

    You know, this whole "I'm gonna kill a **** load of people, and you have to prove that I'm hitting all the right ones" is a dumbass argument. You need to prove that you are hitting significant terrorist and military target while minimizing civilian causality.
    The claim is that airstrikes from unmanned aircraft are killing civilians in numbers far larger than legitimate targets. That claim needs to be supported before there is any discussion as to what needs to be done about it.

    And, as I and others have asked over and over -- what does the delivery platform have to do with it? Why are unmanned drones being singled out?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No I responded just fine.
    No, you demonstrated that you assign higher value to civillians killed by RPV than civillians killed by F-18.

    That's either completely ignorant of you, or totally strange.

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