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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Pakistani civilians aren't the targets.
    But it is pretty much the only thing we've hit.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wait...using unmanned planes to kill a bunch of civilians is against international law! Absurd.
    Yes, those aircraft are totally autonomous robots with no semblance of human supervision whatsoever.

    Oh, wait, look over there. What do I see? Why, I see a man sitting at a console flying the machine and supervising it's every move.

    Why, gee, that RPV is JUST LIKE an airplane with a pilot in it.

    Is it illegal for a man in an F-18 to kill terrorists in the ground?

    No, of course not.

    So it's not illegal for a man in a trailer a hundred miles away flying a Predator drone to kill someone.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The government of Pakistan has repeatly ask for intelligence from the U.S regarding where these people are so it can go and take them out themselves. These requests have largely fallen on death ears.
    Show this to be true

    Given that the ratio of civillian to terroist deaths in these attacks is 50 to 1....
    Show this to be true.

    i think its fair to say this is a tactic that needs rethinking.
    How would it be any "better" -- in terms of the 'legal' argument under discussion -- if the unmanned drones were replaced with manned aircraft?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, those aircraft are totally autonomous robots with no semblance of human supervision whatsoever.

    Oh, wait, look over there. What do I see? Why, I see a man sitting at a console flying the machine and supervising it's every move.

    Why, gee, that RPV is JUST LIKE an airplane with a pilot in it.

    Is it illegal for a man in an F-18 to kill terrorists in the ground?

    No, of course not.

    So it's not illegal for a man in a trailer a hundred miles away flying a Predator drone to kill someone.
    The contention isn't what is doing the killing, it's who is being killed. Predator drone usage, especially in Pakistan, has resulted in significant civilian death with limited affect on insurgents and terrorists.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not all we do, but we certainly do it. The contention is that the use of unmanned drones has caused significant civilian casualty,
    By definition all terrorists are civillians.

    Also, who cares?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But it is pretty much the only thing we've hit.
    SHow this to be true.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    By definition all terrorists are civillians.

    Also, who cares?
    So....ummm.....you think it's cool to run around bombing civilian populations and targets with no real affect towards our own safety (well no real positive affect that is)? Interesting.

    I care because I don't think the United States should run around killing civilians. Maybe that's just me, my morals coming through there. But it seems counter-productive and unjust to run around killing people just cause we can.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The contention isn't what is doing the killing, it's who is being killed. Predator drone usage, especially in Pakistan, has resulted in significant civilian death with limited affect on insurgents and terrorists.
    Yeah, try reading the friggin' post, then spending a couple years thinking about it before you admit that have no clue what was said.

    To paraphrase the great philosopher Archie Bunker, would it make a difference if they were shot by RPV's or F-18s, or if we threw them out the window?

    If yes, explain.

    Try to make sense if you attempt this task.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or a suicide vest.
    Indeed. If we were so rich in disposable fanatics and so poor in equipment that suicide vests made strategic sense for our forces, I would probably be advocating them-- or at least defending their use. Certainly don't fault the enemy for using the best tactics at his disposal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not that we can fully avoid civilian causality, it's how caviler we're going to be about it. Do we just say "**** it" and glass the entire region? Or do we try to limit what and who we hit. With the drones, I'm not sure exactly the argument, but it seems that the contention is that you're mostly hitting civilian areas and targets with them.
    Yes, but that argument doesn't make sense. If we have and use precision weapons, why would we be wasting the bullets to use them against people who are not a threat to us?

    It's the same problem as every other guerrilla war, and the reason why guerrilla tactics are so effective against enemies with the need to preserve their public image. Noone can tell the difference between civilians and combatants-- so the military is compelled to employ "better safe than sorry" tactics and the guerrillas claim that anyone whose corpse isn't still clutching a weapon was a civilian.

    Personally, I'd be fully in favor of committing genocide by air strike if our "allies" weren't a bunch of damned hypocrites-- no offense intended, our own government is just as bad-- and our civilians weren't completely spineless.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    SHow this to be true.
    It's the basis of the contention. The arguments from Pakistan and the complaints are all about how civilians have taken the brunt of the damage.

    You know, this whole "I'm gonna kill a **** load of people, and you have to prove that I'm hitting all the right ones" is a dumbass argument. You need to prove that you are hitting significant terrorist and military target while minimizing civilian causality.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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