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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    No, I have read both 1984 and animal farm multiple times in multiple institutions, in the American one, they choose to mute 1984 and animal farm and imply in the child's educational and cultural context that these are anti-communist books. In the international high school I went to they purposefully made it known to me that George Orwell was a communist.

    Just because Orwell chose to demonize the institutions of revolutions which claimed to be communist and saw the actions of communists in wars does not in any way imply dissuasion from his proletarian cause. Do you think because he chose to demonize stalinist Russia that he was turned off to the injustices of capitalism and did a 180 turn straight into your camp?

    I have not read his essays except for what I can peruse now between classes.
    He was not a communist, he started out a democratic socialist and joined the labour party, but as the labour party moved towards the right and moderate itself so did he, a conservative no, but he was far closer to the right than he was to the extreme left; such as, communists.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    He was not a communist, he started out a democratic socialist and joined the labour party, but as the labour party moved towards the right and moderate itself so did he, a conservative no, but he was far closer to the right than he was to the extreme left; such as, communists.
    Just to interject on this aside

    In the essay "Why I Write" (1946), Orwell described himself as a Democratic Socialist, [13] thus, his 16 June 1949 letter to Francis A. Henson, of the United Automobile Workers, about the excerpts published in Life (25 July 1949) magazine and the The New York Times Book Review (31 July 1949), Orwell said:

    My recent novel [Nineteen Eighty-Four] is NOT intended as an attack on Socialism or on the British Labour Party (of which I am a supporter), but as a show-up of the perversions . . . which have already been partly realized in Communism and Fascism. . . . The scene of the book is laid in Britain in order to emphasize that the English-speaking races are not innately better than anyone else, and that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere.
    —Collected Essays [14]
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    I never could understand these people. We want to kill them, they want to blow themselves up. You'd think we could reach an agreement rather quickly.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I never could understand these people. We want to kill them, they want to blow themselves up. You'd think we could reach an agreement rather quickly.
    Wouldn't all the death cult extreme Islamic warriors have went to their version of heaven in the first week?
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or a suicide vest.

    It's not that we can fully avoid civilian causality, it's how caviler we're going to be about it. Do we just say "**** it" and glass the entire region? Or do we try to limit what and who we hit. With the drones, I'm not sure exactly the argument, but it seems that the contention is that you're mostly hitting civilian areas and targets with them.
    The drones are precision weapons, in fact the hellfire is far more precise than a JDAM being dropped from the b-52s. By the logic of the article in the OP all use of air power should be against the laws of war.

    Look the reason why civilians are killed using these drones is not because the drones violate the laws of war, it is because the enemy violates the laws of by not dressing in uniforms and intentionally intermingling with the civilian population. That is the war crime not the use of precision weapons fired from a UAV platform.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    The government of Pakistan has repeatly ask for intelligence from the U.S regarding where these people are so it can go and take them out themselves. These requests have largely fallen on death ears. Given that the ratio of civillian to terroist deaths in these attacks is 50 to 1 i think its fair to say this is a tactic that needs rethinking.
    Well I would like to see a source on this for one. And for two if that is true, the reason would seem obvious, the ISI has been infiltrated at its highest levels of power and has tipped off these people when the intelligence was given to them, for example rogue elements within the ISI have tipped off the head of Pakistani Taliban one Baitullah Mehsud before Pakistani troops could take him out, in the end he had to be killed by a CIA drone attack. In fact the former head of the ISI helped to fund the 9-11 attacks.
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Wouldn't all the death cult extreme Islamic warriors have went to their version of heaven in the first week?
    When they found out the 72 virgins were old nuns, it slowed a bit....

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I never could understand these people. We want to kill them, they want to blow themselves up. You'd think we could reach an agreement rather quickly.
    Easy, just convert. What's not to understand.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And which ones are harboring them? Or do you just have a "kill em all because they are sand ni**ers" attitude?


    Wow! Just how offensive does one have to be? I don't see the line of thinking that would lead any normal person to come to this sort of conclusion.

    It is a FACT that AQ and the Taliban are harbored in the largely lawless section of Pakistan, this is indisputable. The argument I was having was one, (not even with you, mind you) that this fretting over the loss of civilians that in in close proximity to the targets that must be taken out is a fools errand. And the best you can come up with is that I only take that stance because I am somehow racist?

    Get a clue man.


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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Who cares what laws it's breaking as long as it's breaking some terrorist ass?
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