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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What's really surprising is that there are socialists who've read the book and then voted for the Messiah.
    What blows my mind is that it was actually written by a communist.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Re-read the OP. Or confess to changing your tune.
    I've read the OP and I have not changed my tune. I said from the beginning that you were deflecting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, it wasn't.

    It was war.
    It certainly was war, but it was also quite clearly atrocity. One of the worst things humans have done, a blight upon our history. As was Dresden. War or not, atrocity is atrocity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You elected your Messiah, don't blame me.
    Still no to the honesty eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Your Messiah has been playing basketball and golf, campaigning for socialized medicine, and pimping Chicago to get the Olympics when he should be doing his job, which to either arrive at a working definition of victory and a plan to achieve it, or developing a plan for withdrawal. That boy is getting industrial strength splinters from the fence he's straddling, and he very indecision is encouragement for our enemies.
    So you can't stay on target and you can't be honest. Well don't be mad when I ignore your arguments. I expect a certain amount of intellect out of those I debate with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Exactly, when we should be kicking ass.

    Karzai ran a corrupt election, haul his ass out to the nearest poppy field and shoot him. Now, I realize fully that Democrats don't see where crooked elections are bad, but that's what should be done.

    As for what should be done militarily, we need to make it clear that we're only there to kill Taliban, but that we're going to kill them wherever we find them. Which means getting serious about our Mosque-to-Rubble Program.

    Eradicating opium shouldn't be our concern, nor any issue not related to the military problem at hand.
    We shouldn't be concerned with elections and governments of other countries. That's for the people of those countries to be concerned about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    When they're harboring enemies who've murdered 3,000 of my fellow citizens? **** no. The helper of my enemy is my enemy, and should be shot.
    But you wasted more than 3000 more of your fellow citizens lives to get no where. And well more than 3000 of your fellow citizens lives are lost each year to things like car accidents, heart disease, etc. We're not freaking out and starting wars over that. So 3,000 were killed, we've killed 10,000's of civilians, we've lost an additional, what 4K, we're in debt up to our ears. And somehow this seems reasonable?

    I agreed with going into Afghanistan at the beginning, I thought proper response was there. We got side tracked into Iraq and now 8 years later we really haven't gotten anywhere. All we have is more dead Americas. That doesn't seem insane to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    All life? You worried about the grass and the bacteria? BTW, you are probably not aware of this, but "innocence" has no application on the battlefield. That word is a legal word, and they're being shot at for the simple reason they're where the target is. "Innocence" and "guilt" have no business on the battlefield and the soldier flying the RPV doesn't have any reason to worry abou them.
    You're probably not aware of this, but innocence belongs in civilian areas. You're merely trying to redefine things so you don't have to think about it or feel guilt. The people we've killed in Pakistan weren't on a battle field (more deflect and dishonesty). It was civilian targets. Innocent life. At least have the balls to own up to what you are doing for god's sake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, eight years ago Aghanistan employed terrorists to attack us, thereby starting the war we are still fighting.
    Eight years have gone by and we've accomplished nothing. I'm not going to support forever war under any circumstance.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Yes, if they are part of an organization that has attacked us and is part and parcel to the government of that country as AQ was to the Taliban government, and/or if they had a seat on that governments ministry of defense as AQ sat on the Talibans ministry of defense, and/or if there was a special branch of that governments military which was made up exclusively of those unlawful combatant fighters, and/or if these unlawful combatants were granted a safe haven in which to train and from which to launch attacks.

    The Taliban was a co-conspirator in the 9-11 attacks and are thus just as guilty as AQ proper.



    As to Pakistan, to bad so sad, if they are unwilling on incapable of rooting out those who have attacked our country and who we are at war with then we have the right to launch attacks within their borders as per Article 51 of the UN Charter:

    Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
    Well the thing I don't like is that at no point does there seem to require any proof for infringing upon the sovereignty of another country. Hell, if Mexico bombed some apartment complex in say...LA, claiming there were terrorists or something there...we'd be mad as hell. I'd say rightfully so.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well the thing I don't like is that at no point does there seem to require any proof for infringing upon the sovereignty of another country. Hell, if Mexico bombed some apartment complex in say...LA, claiming there were terrorists or something there...we'd be mad as hell. I'd say rightfully so.
    If these terrorists had attacked Mexico and we had refused to go and arrest them for their crimes then we would have no right to get pissed at Mexico going after themselves.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um AQ was part and parcel to the Taliban government led by Mullah Omar, they had a seat on the Taliban's ministry of defense, there was a special branch of the Taliban military known as the 055 brigade which was made up exclusively of AQ fighters, and the Taliban granted them a safe haven in which to train and from which to launch attacks.

    I don't know if this was your point but when people claim that the Taliban didn't attack us it's like saying that if the CIA decided to bomb a building in; say, Saudi Arabia, that it wasn't the U.S. government attacking them. The Taliban was a co-conspirator in the 9-11 attacks and are thus just as guilty as AQ proper.
    That's all true. However, to claim that OBL was the commander in chief of Afghanistan is patently false.

    They were co-conspirators. That, I will concede because it is fact. Scarecrow's other drivel was just his angry kid persona talking out his ass.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If these terrorists had attacked Mexico and we had refused to go and arrest them for their crimes then we would have no right to get pissed at Mexico going after themselves.
    No, the real analogy which is applicable is that Mexico is having problems with some terrorist group. Those groups have fled across the US boarder from time to time. We haven't been able to catch all of them. Mexico claims there are terrorists in a heavily populated apartment complex in LA, bombs the **** out of it. Kills everyone. There were no terrorists, only civilians, and there was no concrete evidence in the first place as to there being large number of terrorists. Mexico still in the right?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What blows my mind is that it was actually written by a communist.
    Orwell grew up and was no longer a socialist by the time he wrote Animal Farm and 1984.

    His writing shows a clear growth in understanding of the evil of socialism and communism. The Road to Wigan Pier is clearly pro-socialist. Keep the Aspidistra Flying and A Clergyman's Daughter show the disillusionment of the socialist who learns what it really is all about. Animal Farm and [u]1984[u] are clearly anti-socialist.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's all true. However, to claim that OBL was the commander in chief of Afghanistan is patently false.

    They were co-conspirators. That, I will concede because it is fact. Scarecrow's other drivel was just his angry kid persona talking out his ass.
    Well I didn't see his original post, I thought you were one of these people who go around saying that the Afghanistan war is illegal because they didn't attack us which is patently false. My bad if I misunderstood your point.

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Why don't islamic terrorists attack mexico?

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    Re: US drone strikes may break international law: UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Well I didn't see his original post, I thought you were one of these people who go around saying that the Afghanistan war is illegal because they didn't attack us which is patently false. My bad if I misunderstood your point.
    No no, mistakes get made, it's all good. I'm one of those that believes we should have mopped up afghanistan first and then launched an attack against Saddam. I have no remorse that Saddam was removed from power either.

    I just wish we'd finished with the Taliban first.

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